Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

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John146

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Maybe a good question might be:

When does God know a man? Can ya'll give biblical support to your answers?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I think we all assume our view is biblical .
Yep. Which is why we should never say there is her way his way and the Bible’s way. Makes us come across as arrogant
 

OIC1965

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All I can state is this comment is different than your other stated position.



Did you mean saved individuals?
Of course. Does God elect those who will never believe? According to Jesus’ priestly prayer, He was not praying for the world, but only for those who were believing or would one day believe-right?
 

throughfaith

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Of course. Does God elect those who will never believe? According to Jesus’ priestly prayer, He was not praying for the world, but only for those who were believing or would one day believe-right?
Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)
1¶Behold my SERVANT whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

15¶But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, TO BEAR my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16For I will shew him how great things he must SUFFER FOR my name's sake.

28¶As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are BELOVED FOR the fathers' sakes.

Notice its always service, calling and purpose, not to be saved .
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I’m on board for the most part with articles 1-4. Slightly different view on those, but not overly drastic.
I Disagree with point 4 And 5

the mere fact mankind is still walking is but by gods grace, the fact mankind is free to chose is by grace, all things are by Gods grace,

the religious view of grace formed in Catholic Church and passed down (prevenient) has no basis, and in my view has roots in paganism

#5 is out and out legalism, and makes salvation by works, it rejects the frame of god and places the onus on the person
 

OIC1965

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Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)
1¶Behold my SERVANT whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

15¶But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, TO BEAR my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16For I will shew him how great things he must SUFFER FOR my name's sake.

28¶As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are BELOVED FOR the fathers' sakes.

Notice its always service, calling and purpose, not to be saved .
Ephesians 1:4. Chosen for relationship
 

throughfaith

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Ephesians 1:4. Chosen for relationship
Well you could say , all those in Christ are chosen to be in relationship ( holy and blameless ect ) .
Jesus is the eternal being . So being in Him ,we recieve all blessings ect
If there was a verse that said " we were chosen to be in him later " then you might have something.
 

cv5

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I Disagree with point 4 And 5

the mere fact mankind is still walking is but by gods grace, the fact mankind is free to chose is by grace, all things are by Gods grace,

the religious view of grace formed in Catholic Church and passed down (prevenient) has no basis, and in my view has roots in paganism

#5 is out and out legalism, and makes salvation by works, it rejects the frame of god and places the onus on the person
Interesting.....

https://wesleyancovenant.org/2018/04/18/reflection-on-prevenient-grace/

"Wesley agreed that our sinful situation is desperate; he said he came within a “hair’s breadth of Calvinism,” and that in our sin no one has the power to choose God or his righteous ways. However, Wesley insisted, God’s grace comes before our choosing, to enable and empower us to seek God! Prevenient grace is bestowed on all people, mitigating the effects of original sin. John 1:9 says that the one true light of God’s grace in Jesus’ coming into the world “gives light to everyone.” By this grace which comes before, we become aware of God’s nature; we acquire a basic knowledge of right and wrong; and we become aware of our need for a Savior. Prevenient grace draws us to God, convicts us of our sin, and frees us up to accept – or reject – God’s gift of salvation."
 
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Interesting.....

https://wesleyancovenant.org/2018/04/18/reflection-on-prevenient-grace/

"Wesley agreed that our sinful situation is desperate; he said he came within a “hair’s breadth of Calvinism,” and that in our sin no one has the power to choose God or his righteous ways. However, Wesley insisted, God’s grace comes before our choosing, to enable and empower us to seek God! Prevenient grace is bestowed on all people, mitigating the effects of original sin. John 1:9 says that the one true light of God’s grace in Jesus’ coming into the world “gives light to everyone.” By this grace which comes before, we become aware of God’s nature; we acquire a basic knowledge of right and wrong; and we become aware of our need for a Savior. Prevenient grace draws us to God, convicts us of our sin, and frees us up to accept – or reject – God’s gift of salvation."
I would call that’s gods love not grace maybe that’s why do not not like the term?
 

throughfaith

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Israel
Elect
“For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.”

Servant . Purpose . Calling . Never to be saved .
Every occurance of the word chosen and elect is the same .
Check with a word search.
There's one anomoly and that's in Romans were is synonymous with ' faith '
Wake up people of God .
 

throughfaith

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Interesting.....

https://wesleyancovenant.org/2018/04/18/reflection-on-prevenient-grace/

"Wesley agreed that our sinful situation is desperate; he said he came within a “hair’s breadth of Calvinism,” and that in our sin no one has the power to choose God or his righteous ways. However, Wesley insisted, God’s grace comes before our choosing, to enable and empower us to seek God! Prevenient grace is bestowed on all people, mitigating the effects of original sin. John 1:9 says that the one true light of God’s grace in Jesus’ coming into the world “gives light to everyone.” By this grace which comes before, we become aware of God’s nature; we acquire a basic knowledge of right and wrong; and we become aware of our need for a Savior. Prevenient grace draws us to God, convicts us of our sin, and frees us up to accept – or reject – God’s gift of salvation."
Perfect example of the point I've made all along.a “hair’s breadth of Calvinism,” . Thank you .
 

throughfaith

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I would call that’s gods love not grace maybe that’s why do not not like the term?
You just agreed with the post #233 why were you making a big fuss over what I was saying? You just liked the post ? That was my entire point .
 
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You just agreed with the post #233 why were you making a big fuss over what I was saying? You just liked the post ? That was my entire point .
I did not agree with him all I did was thank him for posting it, then stated I did not agree with it, I liked that he posted it so I could Understand what it meant,

you seem to see Things that are not there, Maybe ask if you are confused and don’t assume so much
 

cv5

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You just agreed with the post #233 why were you making a big fuss over what I was saying? You just liked the post ? That was my entire point .
I don't necessarily agree with #233 either.
The topic came up I conducted a little research and I thought it would post what I saw.