I think we all assume our view is biblical .
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2
- Thread starter OIC1965
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Maybe a good question might be:
When does God know a man? Can ya'll give biblical support to your answers?
When does God know a man? Can ya'll give biblical support to your answers?
E
eternally-gratefull
Guest
Yep. Which is why we should never say there is her way his way and the Bible’s way. Makes us come across as arrogant
I miss you to brother when you go quiet lol...
It is good to reflect , I do that myself...
...xox...
Of course. Does God elect those who will never believe? According to Jesus’ priestly prayer, He was not praying for the world, but only for those who were believing or would one day believe-right?
I’m on board for the most part with articles 1-4. Slightly different view on those, but not overly drastic.
E
eternally-gratefull
Guest
Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)
1¶Behold my SERVANT whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
15¶But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, TO BEAR my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16For I will shew him how great things he must SUFFER FOR my name's sake.
28¶As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are BELOVED FOR the fathers' sakes.
Notice its always service, calling and purpose, not to be saved .
E
eternally-gratefull
Guest
I Disagree with point 4 And 5
the mere fact mankind is still walking is but by gods grace, the fact mankind is free to chose is by grace, all things are by Gods grace,
the religious view of grace formed in Catholic Church and passed down (prevenient) has no basis, and in my view has roots in paganism
#5 is out and out legalism, and makes salvation by works, it rejects the frame of god and places the onus on the person
Ephesians 1:4. Chosen for relationship
Well you could say , all those in Christ are chosen to be in relationship ( holy and blameless ect ) .
Jesus is the eternal being . So being in Him ,we recieve all blessings ect
If there was a verse that said " we were chosen to be in him later " then you might have something.
Interesting.....
https://wesleyancovenant.org/2018/04/18/reflection-on-prevenient-grace/
"Wesley agreed that our sinful situation is desperate; he said he came within a “hair’s breadth of Calvinism,” and that in our sin no one has the power to choose God or his righteous ways. However, Wesley insisted, God’s grace comes before our choosing, to enable and empower us to seek God! Prevenient grace is bestowed on all people, mitigating the effects of original sin. John 1:9 says that the one true light of God’s grace in Jesus’ coming into the world “gives light to everyone.” By this grace which comes before, we become aware of God’s nature; we acquire a basic knowledge of right and wrong; and we become aware of our need for a Savior. Prevenient grace draws us to God, convicts us of our sin, and frees us up to accept – or reject – God’s gift of salvation."
Israel
Elect
“For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.”
Servant . Purpose . Calling . Never to be saved .
Every occurance of the word chosen and elect is the same .
Check with a word search.
There's one anomoly and that's in Romans were is synonymous with ' faith '
Wake up people of God .
Elect
“For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.”
Servant . Purpose . Calling . Never to be saved .
Every occurance of the word chosen and elect is the same .
Check with a word search.
There's one anomoly and that's in Romans were is synonymous with ' faith '
Wake up people of God .
Perfect example of the point I've made all along.a “hair’s breadth of Calvinism,” . Thank you .
Yep, those in Christ have been chosen to receive spiritual blessings in the heavenly places. Salvation is not in the passage.
You just agreed with the post #233 why were you making a big fuss over what I was saying? You just liked the post ? That was my entire point .
E
eternally-gratefull
Guest
I did not agree with him all I did was thank him for posting it, then stated I did not agree with it, I liked that he posted it so I could Understand what it meant,
you seem to see Things that are not there, Maybe ask if you are confused and don’t assume so much
I don't necessarily agree with #233 either.
The topic came up I conducted a little research and I thought it would post what I saw.