The End, the A.C., Revelation and the rest of it.

[cv5]

Was the Passover invalid when it was written? No, yet it was not understood. What is the full significance and meaning of the passover lamb, the unleavened bread, and the marking the door posts with the lamb's blood? Ahhhh, It is all foreshadowing and prophesing the final and sufficent sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross.

No one can or could fully understand the former witness (Passover) until they matched it with the latter witness (Crucifixion). You disagree?

This is the same way that future prophesy on the beast and false prophet work. No on can fully understand these prophesies until after they are fulfilled and matched correctly to another witness (the historical record).

Am I saying that all biblical prophesy has been fulfilled? NO!!!!!!! I am saying it can't be understood (or fully understood) until after the prophesy is fulfilled.

So Revelation is partially fulfilled. The parts which have already been fulfilled can be correctly matched to the historical record and only then understood. But the parts not yet fulfilled remain a mystery.

We will have to agree to disagree that the book of Revelation has been partially fulfilled and leave it at that my friend.

 

[cv5]

Yes, Israel received their Messiah, Jesus! But they rejected Jesus.

Acts 28:28 “Therefore I want you to know that God’s salvation has been sent to the Gentiles, and they will listen!”

The Romans 11:5 elect remnant DID recieve Him yes.
However the entire nation (Those who have survived the great tribulation) will, as a corporate body, receive their Messiah Jesus, altogether all at once.

And then He comes. The Second Coming.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

We will have to agree to disagree that the book of Revelation has been partially fulfilled and leave it at that my friend.

But how do you know unless you test it yourself? Or are we to trust the scholars on this?

1 Thess 5:19 Do not stifle the Holy Spirit.
(Example: but everything that I have ever learned about eschatology man has taught me.)

1 Thess 5:20 Do not ignore prophesy
(Example: oh I've been told this hasn't happened yet so I pay little to no attention to it)

1 Thess 5:21 but test everything that is said. Hold on to what is good.
(Example: But I have always heard and been told that the mark of the beast is not here yet. So, therefore, I know the first bowl of wrath didn't happen yet)

 

[Corban]

I have kept an eye out as I continue to understand why Dan is not included in the list of those who are sealed. Some have suggested from most likely reading someone else's teachings, that it was because of Dan's idol worship. The problem with this is that all of the tribes of Israel were guilty of idol worship. So that doesn't answer the question.

However, that Dan is missing from the list, does not diminish the fact that these are true Israelites 12,000 from each tribe, with Joseph's son Manasseh replacing Dan. People adopted that false teaching that since Dan is missing, then the information is allegorical. That's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. In other words, just because Dan is missing does not mean that it is not to be interpreted literally.



Once again, we need to bring in all of the scriptures when forming a conclusion. The fact is that these 144,000 are saved is revealed in Rev.14 as they those who are redeemed from the earth:

"Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads."

"No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.

The word redeemed in the scripture above, means to that those 144,000 were purchased by the blood of the Lamb. In addition, the fact that these 144,000 have the Lamb's and God the Father's name written on their forehead, demonstrates that they are saved.

[Chapter 11:24-32 says that Israel is "blind"

The nation Israel is has been blinded. The 144,000 is a specific group elected by God during the end times. As I said, the unbelieving nation of Israel will be giving birth to 144,000 believing Israelites.

That is how symbolism works, i.e. something symbolic representing something that is literal.

God symbolically described Israel using the same symbols found in Joseph's dream in order to give the reader understanding of who the woman is symbolically representing.

* The woman is symbolic

* Her being pregnant is symbolic

* Her giving birth is symbolic

* The dragon with seven heads, ten horns and ten crowns is symbolic

symbolism representing what is literal




I'll stick with the clues that God gave, which is Genesis 37:9-10 where the sun, moon and eleven stars, as being the same symbolism as the woman who is clothed with the Son, with the moon under feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars.

Jacob identified the sun as himself, the moon representing his wife/wives and the stars representing his sons. Collectively, they represent Israel.



Correct! Israel never travailed in the birth of 144,000, but her giving birth to the 144,000 is a future event, not past.[/QUOTE]

Well thank you for a comprehensive answer. I have noted your points. Rather than rebut you sentence for sentence, I will just lay forth the way I see it, and we can compare notes.

From Adam to Nimrod, there was one people on earth. From Nimrod to Abraham, God had "the Nations". From Jacob to Jesus Christ, God raised up a select Nation - Israel. So the earth has "the Nations" and "the Nation of Israel" - two peoples. From resurrection day (Jn.20:22) God raised up a "New corporate Man" from a few of Israel and a few of the Nations called, "the Church". The earth then had THREE different peoples. The Book of Revelation is so named because it concerns the events surrounding the REVEALING of Jesus from Heaven at the end of this age. Thus, the fate of all three peoples on earth is shown.

1. The Nations, or "the Gentiles" ruled the earth until Joshua, and after a brief interlude of less than a thousand years, in which Israel stood invincible, the Gentiles continued to rule from Nebuchadnezzar to the Beast of Revelation. At Armageddon their sovereignty ends and they will be subjugated by a military defeat followed by "the rule of the rod of iron."
2. Israel broke the Law and were ejected from their Land. In 70 AD they came under God's chastisement which will run until the Church is complete (Act.15:14-16), and the Gentiles are defeated (Dan.2:44). Israel's restoration is tied to the Covenant with Abraham, and their recovery is set in the Covenant of Law in Deuteronomy 30:1-5. For this recovery, God keeps for Himself a REMNANT. This remnant is predicted in Romans 9 and 11. The 144,000 of Revelation 7 is this Remnant. They are sealed because there is no escape from the horror of the Great Tribulation. But because the fulfill Deuteronomy 30:1-5, Israel is restored legally by a just God. They are not removed from earth and are seen in Revelation 12 as "those that keep the commandments of God".
3. The Church is given every benefit to be "salt, light" and Christ's testimony on earth. The letters of the New Testament show diverse problems in the Churches. By latest 96 AD, when Revelation is written, seven representative Churches show that it is largely apostate. But for His name's sake, God keeps a REMNANT called "the Overcomers". They are seen in Revelation 12 as "the Man-child." There are about 5 proofs that they are the Man-child. To save a long posting, I give two. (i) The events of Revelation 12 are set when Satan is cast out of heaven and "has but a little time left" - that is, at the close of the age. (ii) The Man-child is to rule the Nations with a rod of iron (v.5). Only two parties in the whole Bible do that - Christ (Rev.19:15) and the Overcomers (Rev.2:27). Not one fact of the description of the birth of the Man-Child fits our Lord Jesus. They are the Overcomers who are Raptured to the throne. It even says so in verse 11. The "Remainder" of Christians must pass through the Great Tribulation as those "who have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (v.18). The Overcomers of Revelation 14 are that company of 144,000 "redeemed from among men" and "redeemed from the earth". All indications are that they are connected with Jesus.

Now, one thing remains to be explained. That is, why they both have the designation of 144,000. The answer is easily discovered. The number of God's people is 12 - 12 Tribes of Israel and 12 Apostles upon which the Church is built. These two parties, both being REMNANTS, are REPRESENTATIVE of God's people. And the consummation of God's people is New Jerusalem. In Revelation 21:16 the measure of New Jerusalem is 12 times 1,000 - length and breadth. By the end of this age, the majority of Israel will be in total crisis as they embrace the Beast, and the Church will be in total apostasy as they are defeated by the Beast (Rev.13:7). But God has kept Himself a REMNANT from both. They are recognized as God's people in the midst of a total failure among God's people, so they are both designated by the number of New Jerusalem 12 X 12 X 1,000. One is earthly, of 12 Tribes and is sealed. The other is heavenly, of 12 Apostles and "redeemed from among men" (only Christians are redeemed before the end of the age), and "redeemed from the earth" (in Rapture). One has the Seal of God and the other has the Name of God. One is preserved on earth, one is preserved in heaven. One is from 12 Tribes, one is "from men".

The proofs that these two groups are different are numerous. I will forego them now, but can show them in a later posting if you so require.

Go well bro.

 

[Corban]

The 144,000 are most certainly saved......they are are Israelite "firstfruits".
Not much wiggle room there!

Rev 14:4
These are they who have not been defiled with women; for they are pure, these following the Lamb wherever He shall go. These have been redeemed out from men as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

On the contrary, Israel are only called the firstfruits as a complete nation in the wilderness (Jer.2:3). ALL Israel is meant - not a remnant of 144,000 and excluding Dan.

Rather, Christians are - 1st Cor.16:15 & Jas.1.18. Added go this, the events before us occur at the end of the age, not in the wilderness of Sinai. The harvest of the end of the age is for "Wheat" - which are Christians (Matt.13:39, Jn.12:24). Israel - the Vine, produced NO fruit (Matt.21).

 

[cv5]

"The elect" are not only deceived but deceive others.

Matthew 24:21-24
21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

"The elect" are not only deceived but deceive others.

Craziest thing I've ever heard. The elect cannot be deceived. They have been saved according to the predetermined plan of God from before the foundation of the world. In terms of salvation these people are invincible.

 

[cv5]

On the contrary, Israel are only called the firstfruits as a complete nation in the wilderness (Jer.2:3). ALL Israel is meant - not a remnant of 144,000 and excluding Dan.

Rather, Christians are - 1st Cor.16:15 & Jas.1.18. Added go this, the events before us occur at the end of the age, not in the wilderness of Sinai. The harvest of the end of the age is for "Wheat" - which are Christians (Matt.13:39, Jn.12:24). Israel - the Vine, produced NO fruit (Matt.21).

Perhaps you fail to comprehend the unique situation that is the Tribulation period.

-The church per se has been raptured, seen in Rev 4, 5 etc. They are absolutely unique.

-There only remain on the earth gentiles and Israelites.

-God reestablishes the original mandate of Israel by making them (two witnesses +144,000) preachers of the gospel during the period of the tribulation.

-There is a zero mention of the Church or the Church preaching. Israel has taken over the task of preaching

-The Church per se no longer exists on the earth therefore their mandate has been completed

-The tribulation saints are a unique group of gentiles who have believed the two witnesses and 144,000. They suffer execution virtually immediately after believing by beheading.

-Rev chapter 7 makes it crystal-clear that the 144,000 are indeed Israelites and Israelites alone

A critical and unbroken rule in scripture is that Church is never called Israel or an Israelite.
When the Bible says Israel or Israelite it always means the offspring of Jacob. Always.

 

[cv5]

On the contrary, Israel are only called the firstfruits as a complete nation in the wilderness (Jer.2:3). ALL Israel is meant - not a remnant of 144,000 and excluding Dan.

Rather, Christians are - 1st Cor.16:15 & Jas.1.18. Added go this, the events before us occur at the end of the age, not in the wilderness of Sinai. The harvest of the end of the age is for "Wheat" - which are Christians (Matt.13:39, Jn.12:24). Israel - the Vine, produced NO fruit (Matt.21).

To be more precise, whenever individual tribes of Israel are mentioned it is always the sons of Jacob. Always without exception comprehensively without fail.

 

[GaryA]

Gary I think that if someone was peterist in position then they would defend the "before ad70" writing of Revelation because if it was written after ad70 then preterism would be proven false because they believe Revelation was fulfilled by the DoJ/Temple in ad70. On the other hand if one is futurist(many different camps of futurist) then some see Revelation written before ad70 and so ome believe it was written after ad70.

So then if you are an futurist it would not make any difference if Revelation was written before ad70 or after,,,(unless),,, Revelation 17:8 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17-8.htm is in reference to the DoJ. So then if one believes that Revelation was penned before ad70 (whether preterist or futurist) then if in Revelation 17:8 the beast that "was,is not,,ect." is in the pit then it would have suffered that deadly wound "prior to the writing of Rev.17:8"(angel says it's in the pit at that time) and one would need to find a head that received an deadly wound prior to ad70.

I think the friction/shock is that the scriptures (Rev.13:6) state that they would blaspheme the name of God and the temple/tabernacle and in Rev.13:11 this two horned beast looks like a lamb( of God?) but speaks like a dragon https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/13.htm ...

So then it is apparent that if this head that received the wound blasphemes Gods name it calls it's self after Gods name. So it doesn't rise one day and call it's self "the kingdom of the devil" but instead ,,,"Israel",,,(called after my name/the Scriptures) and looks like a lamb(people see it Holy/of God) but it speaks like a dragon. It has "two horns", (existed twice) and it was destroyed in ad70 and healed in 1948.

The thing is though that it seems that I am speaking evil of Gods Holy Israel when I am not. I Love both God and Israel but am also aware that in Scripture it states that the devil will deceive many in this. They are not all of Israel just because they say so https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans 9:6-7&version=KJV and as it seems from the Scriptures they will say they are and blaspheme both Gods name and tabernacle. There is a real true God and Israel and an imposter explained to you all in Scripture is it wrong that I warn any of you to examine those who say they are Israel?

You see you may think you will not face Gods wrath but if you worship the image and receive that mark you will. The imposters kingdom is removed at the Lords coming and there is an Israel with our Lord Jesus as our/it's king, but there is also prior to that an imposter. The Israel in your mind's(one that's true) comes "after" the one the imposter sets up.

Yeah, I kinda figured you would say something like that... ("Israel")

Interesting, for sure. However...

I don't think it fits all of the details of all related prophecy.

And, for reasons not related to any of what you posted ...

I believe Revelation was written before 70 A.D.

 

[cv5]

Yeah, I kinda figured you would say something like that... ("Israel")

Interesting, for sure. However...

I don't think it fits all of the details of all related prophecy.

And, for reasons not related to any of what you posted ...

I believe Revelation was written before 70 A.D.

The preterists have an insurmountable problem. 70 A.D. date for the destruction of Jerusalem does not fit into any framework of biblical prophecy extant. Certainly not Daniel 9.

 

[GaryA]

The preterists have an insurmountable problem. 70 A.D. date for the destruction of Jerusalem does not fit into any framework of biblical prophecy extant. Certainly not Daniel 9.

Well - it's a good thing that I am not a preterist.

However, there is most definitely a "mention" of circa 70 A.D. events in Daniel 9.

 

[iamsoandso]

Yeah, I kinda figured you would say something like that... ("Israel")

Interesting, for sure. However...

I don't think it fits all of the details of all related prophecy.

And, for reasons not related to any of what you posted ...

I believe Revelation was written before 70 A.D.

The "Israel" part is not the problem, the problem's in the "let us make an image of..." aspect that has led them to create their own Israel,hence one to many Israel's.

 

[Keras]

A critical and unbroken rule in scripture is that Church is never called Israel or an Israelite.
When the Bible says Israel or Israelite it always means the offspring of Jacob. Always.

Wrong:
The true Christian Ecclesia is Israel.
Those believers who love the Lord and keep His commandments, that is: every faithful Christian person are designated by God to be Israelites. Galatians 6:14-16 The New Testament writings are clear: there is only one Israel, who are the only one Church, only one elect, be they Jew or Gentile by birth.

1/ Israel, the chosen people of God: Exodus 15:13, Deuteronomy 33:3, Ezra 3:11
Christians, chosen of God: Romans 9:25, Ephesians 5:1, Col. 3:12, 1 John 3:1, Rev. 7:9
2/ Israel, the children of God: Deut. 14:1, Isaiah 1:2-4, Isaiah 63:8, Hosea 11:1
Christians, the children of God: John 1:12, Romans 8:14-16, Galatians 4:5-7, 1 John 3:1
3/ Israel, the scattered sheep of God: Psalms 78:52, Isaiah 40:11, Jer. 23:1-4, Ezekiel 34:12
Christians, His sheep: among the nations: John 10:14-16, Hebrews 13:20, 1 Peter 2:25
4/ Israel, God’s household: Hebrews 3:5, 1 Chronicles 29:14-18
Christians are God’s household: Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 10:20-21, I Timothy 3:15, 1 Cor.3:9
5/ Israel are the priests of God: Exodus 19:6, Deuteronomy 27:9
Christians are the priests of God: Isaiah 66:21, 1 Peter 2:5-9, Rev. 1:6, Revelation 5:10
6/ Israel is the bride of God: Isaiah 54:5-6, Jeremiah 2:2, Ezekiel 16:32, Hosea 1:2
Christians are the bride of Christ: Isaiah 62:4-5, 2 Corinthians 11:2, Ephesians 5:29-32
7/ Israel is the vine and the olive tree: Isaiah 5:7, Hosea 9:10, Hosea 14:6-7
Christians are the vine and the olive: Luke 20:16, Romans 11:24
8/ Israelites are the circumcised: Genesis 17:9-14, Judges 15:18
Christians are the ‘circumcised’: Romans 2:25-29, Philippians 3:3, Col. 2:11
9/ Israelites are the children of Abraham: 2 Chronicles 20:7, Psalms 105:5-6, Isaiah 41:8
Christians are the spiritual children of Abraham: Romans 4:13-18, Gal. 3:7& 29, John 4:23
10/ The Covenant is with Israel: Deuteronomy 4:31, 2 Kings 17:34-36, Psalms 105:7-10
The New Covenant is with Christians: 1 Corinthians 11:25, Hebrews 8:6-10, Ezekiel 34:25

The above 10 proofs totally negate any argument that the Church and Israel are 2 separate entities. That premise is held and promoted by the pre-trib rapture exponents, who must have 2 groups; one removed to heaven, [themselves] and the Jews, [wrongly called; Israel] who remain on earth to face the Great Tribulation.
The truth is proven by how it is all the faithful Christian believers of every tribe, race, nation and language: Revelation 5:9-10 & 7:9, who gather in the holy Land soon after the Sixth Seal judgement/punishment of the nations. Habakkuk 3:12 They will be assigned to an appropriate Israelite tribe, according to each family’s characteristics. Proved by Isaiah 66:21 Then the 144,000 will be selected, 12,000 from each tribe, to go out and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 14:1-7, Isaiah 66:19
This new nation in the Middle East, will be called Beulah; Isaiah 62:1-5 They will live in peace and prosperity and when a large army comes down from the North, God will destroy it. Ezekiel 38-39, Joel 2:20

Sometime later, the President of the One World Government will come to Beulah and convince ‘many’ of them to sign a seven year treaty of peace. Daniel 11:27, Isaiah 28:14-15 This marks the commencement of the final seven years of this age and is the 70th ‘week of Daniel 9:24, then at the mid-point, the O.W.G. dictator will invade and conquer Beulah. Zech. 14:1-2, Daniel 11:30-32, which triggers the Great Tribulation of the seven Trumpet and seven Bowl punishments. Rev. 12:7-13
But those Christian Israelites who ‘faithful to their God’, will be taken to a place of safety, as described in Revelation 12:14. Then at the Return of Jesus, those faithful ones, the righteous ‘woman’ of Christian Israel will experience a ‘rapture’ as they are gathered by the Lord’s angels. Matthew 24:31 They will join the resurrected saints and will enjoy the great blessings of the Millennium. Isaiah 65:17-25 [79 scriptures]

Ref; logostelos.info

 

[GaryA]

The "Israel" part is not the problem, the problem's in the "let us make an image of..." aspect that has led them to create their own Israel,hence one to many Israel's.

Yes - I understand what you are saying. I have been aware for many years that the current [1948] 'Israel' is not the real/true Israel - that it was "usurped" on a false claim based on an illuminati agenda.

 

[iamsoandso]

Yes - I understand what you are saying. I have been aware for many years that the current [1948] 'Israel' is not the real/true Israel - that it was "usurped" on a false claim based on an illuminati agenda.

Bolshevism at work, as in Scripture "and I saw another beast..." first he saw one rise from the sea and after it one rose from the earth. The ones who worked/work to bring it forth are those who say "let us make an image..." they say "I got me this kingdom" as if they forgot who makes kingdoms and kings.

 

[cv5]

Wrong:
The true Christian Ecclesia is Israel.
Those believers who love the Lord and keep His commandments, that is: every faithful Christian person are designated by God to be Israelites. Galatians 6:14-16 The New Testament writings are clear: there is only one Israel, who are the only one Church, only one elect, be they Jew or Gentile by birth.

1/ Israel, the chosen people of God: Exodus 15:13, Deuteronomy 33:3, Ezra 3:11
Christians, chosen of God: Romans 9:25, Ephesians 5:1, Col. 3:12, 1 John 3:1, Rev. 7:9
2/ Israel, the children of God: Deut. 14:1, Isaiah 1:2-4, Isaiah 63:8, Hosea 11:1
Christians, the children of God: John 1:12, Romans 8:14-16, Galatians 4:5-7, 1 John 3:1
3/ Israel, the scattered sheep of God: Psalms 78:52, Isaiah 40:11, Jer. 23:1-4, Ezekiel 34:12
Christians, His sheep: among the nations: John 10:14-16, Hebrews 13:20, 1 Peter 2:25
4/ Israel, God’s household: Hebrews 3:5, 1 Chronicles 29:14-18
Christians are God’s household: Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 10:20-21, I Timothy 3:15, 1 Cor.3:9
5/ Israel are the priests of God: Exodus 19:6, Deuteronomy 27:9
Christians are the priests of God: Isaiah 66:21, 1 Peter 2:5-9, Rev. 1:6, Revelation 5:10
6/ Israel is the bride of God: Isaiah 54:5-6, Jeremiah 2:2, Ezekiel 16:32, Hosea 1:2
Christians are the bride of Christ: Isaiah 62:4-5, 2 Corinthians 11:2, Ephesians 5:29-32
7/ Israel is the vine and the olive tree: Isaiah 5:7, Hosea 9:10, Hosea 14:6-7
Christians are the vine and the olive: Luke 20:16, Romans 11:24
8/ Israelites are the circumcised: Genesis 17:9-14, Judges 15:18
Christians are the ‘circumcised’: Romans 2:25-29, Philippians 3:3, Col. 2:11
9/ Israelites are the children of Abraham: 2 Chronicles 20:7, Psalms 105:5-6, Isaiah 41:8
Christians are the spiritual children of Abraham: Romans 4:13-18, Gal. 3:7& 29, John 4:23
10/ The Covenant is with Israel: Deuteronomy 4:31, 2 Kings 17:34-36, Psalms 105:7-10
The New Covenant is with Christians: 1 Corinthians 11:25, Hebrews 8:6-10, Ezekiel 34:25

The above 10 proofs totally negate any argument that the Church and Israel are 2 separate entities. That premise is held and promoted by the pre-trib rapture exponents, who must have 2 groups; one removed to heaven, [themselves] and the Jews, [wrongly called; Israel] who remain on earth to face the Great Tribulation.
The truth is proven by how it is all the faithful Christian believers of every tribe, race, nation and language: Revelation 5:9-10 & 7:9, who gather in the holy Land soon after the Sixth Seal judgement/punishment of the nations. Habakkuk 3:12 They will be assigned to an appropriate Israelite tribe, according to each family’s characteristics. Proved by Isaiah 66:21 Then the 144,000 will be selected, 12,000 from each tribe, to go out and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 14:1-7, Isaiah 66:19
This new nation in the Middle East, will be called Beulah; Isaiah 62:1-5 They will live in peace and prosperity and when a large army comes down from the North, God will destroy it. Ezekiel 38-39, Joel 2:20

Sometime later, the President of the One World Government will come to Beulah and convince ‘many’ of them to sign a seven year treaty of peace. Daniel 11:27, Isaiah 28:14-15 This marks the commencement of the final seven years of this age and is the 70th ‘week of Daniel 9:24, then at the mid-point, the O.W.G. dictator will invade and conquer Beulah. Zech. 14:1-2, Daniel 11:30-32, which triggers the Great Tribulation of the seven Trumpet and seven Bowl punishments. Rev. 12:7-13
But those Christian Israelites who ‘faithful to their God’, will be taken to a place of safety, as described in Revelation 12:14. Then at the Return of Jesus, those faithful ones, the righteous ‘woman’ of Christian Israel will experience a ‘rapture’ as they are gathered by the Lord’s angels. Matthew 24:31 They will join the resurrected saints and will enjoy the great blessings of the Millennium. Isaiah 65:17-25 [79 scriptures]

Ref; logostelos.info

British is Israelism is a heresy. The 10 lost tribes is a heresy as well. Declaring that the Church is Israel is also a heresy (though a remnant of Israel become Christians). Israelites are the sons of Jacob always were always will be.

It is possible (during the Church age) for a Israelite to repent and convert and become a Christian, but it is never possible for a gentile to convert and become an Israelite.

 

[cv5]

Wrong:
The true Christian Ecclesia is Israel.
Those believers who love the Lord and keep His commandments, that is: every faithful Christian person are designated by God to be Israelites. Galatians 6:14-16 The New Testament writings are clear: there is only one Israel, who are the only one Church, only one elect, be they Jew or Gentile by birth.

1/ Israel, the chosen people of God: Exodus 15:13, Deuteronomy 33:3, Ezra 3:11
Christians, chosen of God: Romans 9:25, Ephesians 5:1, Col. 3:12, 1 John 3:1, Rev. 7:9
2/ Israel, the children of God: Deut. 14:1, Isaiah 1:2-4, Isaiah 63:8, Hosea 11:1
Christians, the children of God: John 1:12, Romans 8:14-16, Galatians 4:5-7, 1 John 3:1
3/ Israel, the scattered sheep of God: Psalms 78:52, Isaiah 40:11, Jer. 23:1-4, Ezekiel 34:12
Christians, His sheep: among the nations: John 10:14-16, Hebrews 13:20, 1 Peter 2:25
4/ Israel, God’s household: Hebrews 3:5, 1 Chronicles 29:14-18
Christians are God’s household: Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 10:20-21, I Timothy 3:15, 1 Cor.3:9
5/ Israel are the priests of God: Exodus 19:6, Deuteronomy 27:9
Christians are the priests of God: Isaiah 66:21, 1 Peter 2:5-9, Rev. 1:6, Revelation 5:10
6/ Israel is the bride of God: Isaiah 54:5-6, Jeremiah 2:2, Ezekiel 16:32, Hosea 1:2
Christians are the bride of Christ: Isaiah 62:4-5, 2 Corinthians 11:2, Ephesians 5:29-32
7/ Israel is the vine and the olive tree: Isaiah 5:7, Hosea 9:10, Hosea 14:6-7
Christians are the vine and the olive: Luke 20:16, Romans 11:24
8/ Israelites are the circumcised: Genesis 17:9-14, Judges 15:18
Christians are the ‘circumcised’: Romans 2:25-29, Philippians 3:3, Col. 2:11
9/ Israelites are the children of Abraham: 2 Chronicles 20:7, Psalms 105:5-6, Isaiah 41:8
Christians are the spiritual children of Abraham: Romans 4:13-18, Gal. 3:7& 29, John 4:23
10/ The Covenant is with Israel: Deuteronomy 4:31, 2 Kings 17:34-36, Psalms 105:7-10
The New Covenant is with Christians: 1 Corinthians 11:25, Hebrews 8:6-10, Ezekiel 34:25

The above 10 proofs totally negate any argument that the Church and Israel are 2 separate entities. That premise is held and promoted by the pre-trib rapture exponents, who must have 2 groups; one removed to heaven, [themselves] and the Jews, [wrongly called; Israel] who remain on earth to face the Great Tribulation.
The truth is proven by how it is all the faithful Christian believers of every tribe, race, nation and language: Revelation 5:9-10 & 7:9, who gather in the holy Land soon after the Sixth Seal judgement/punishment of the nations. Habakkuk 3:12 They will be assigned to an appropriate Israelite tribe, according to each family’s characteristics. Proved by Isaiah 66:21 Then the 144,000 will be selected, 12,000 from each tribe, to go out and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 14:1-7, Isaiah 66:19
This new nation in the Middle East, will be called Beulah; Isaiah 62:1-5 They will live in peace and prosperity and when a large army comes down from the North, God will destroy it. Ezekiel 38-39, Joel 2:20

Sometime later, the President of the One World Government will come to Beulah and convince ‘many’ of them to sign a seven year treaty of peace. Daniel 11:27, Isaiah 28:14-15 This marks the commencement of the final seven years of this age and is the 70th ‘week of Daniel 9:24, then at the mid-point, the O.W.G. dictator will invade and conquer Beulah. Zech. 14:1-2, Daniel 11:30-32, which triggers the Great Tribulation of the seven Trumpet and seven Bowl punishments. Rev. 12:7-13
But those Christian Israelites who ‘faithful to their God’, will be taken to a place of safety, as described in Revelation 12:14. Then at the Return of Jesus, those faithful ones, the righteous ‘woman’ of Christian Israel will experience a ‘rapture’ as they are gathered by the Lord’s angels. Matthew 24:31 They will join the resurrected saints and will enjoy the great blessings of the Millennium. Isaiah 65:17-25 [79 scriptures]

Ref; logostelos.info

"They will be assigned to an appropriate Israelite tribe, according to each family’s characteristics."

Lol. Pretty much crazy talk right there my friend.

 

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"They will be assigned to an appropriate Israelite tribe, according to each family’s characteristics."

Lol. Pretty much crazy talk right there my friend.

I back up my posts with scriptures.
You make assumptions and spout your own opinions.

That the Christian people of God, will be divided into the 12 tribal groups is proved by Revelation 7:9 and 21:9-27

 

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I back up my posts with scriptures.
You make assumptions and spout your own opinions.

That the Christian people of God, will be divided into the 12 tribal groups is proved by Revelation 7:9 and 21:9-27

Those be Israelites my friend. Of the stock of Jacob no doubt.

 

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Isaiah 56:7, “Them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

Amos 9:11-12,11 “In that day I shall raise up the Booth of Dawiḏ which has fallen down. And I shall repair its breaches and raise up its ruins. And I shall build it as in the days of old,"12 so that they possess the remnant of Eḏom, and all the nations on whom My Name is called,” declares יהוה who does this."

Isaiah 45:22-25, “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am Mighty, and there is none else. I have sworn by Myself, a word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, so that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue swear. One shall say, ‘Only in יהוה do I have righteousness and strength’ – he comes to Him. And all those displeased with Him shall be put to shame. In יהוה all the seed of Yisra’yl shall be declared right and glory.”

Exodus 12:48-49, “And when a stranger sojourns with you and shall perform the Pĕsaḥ to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and perform it, and he shall be as a native of the land. But let no uncircumcised eat of it. “There is one Torah for the native-born and for the stranger who sojourns among you.”

Numbers 15:15-16, “One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before יהוה. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”

Zephaniah 3:8-9, “Therefore wait for Me,” declares יהוה, “until the day I rise up for plunder. For My judgment is to gather nations, to assemble reigns, to pour out on them My rage, all My burning wrath. For by the fire of My jealousy all the earth shall be consumed."3:9, "“For then I shall turn unto the peoples a clean language so that they all call on the Name of יהוה, to serve Him with one shoulder.”

Leviticus 19:34, "‘Let the stranger who dwells among you be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself. For you were strangers in the land of Mitsrayim. I am יהוה your Strength."

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