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Once again you are trying to reverse what the Bible teaches. Looks like some people will never learn the truth.
Since Peter made it perfectly clear that their sins cold not be remitted until the repented, and that they could not received the Holy Spirit until they repented, what makes you think that they were regenerated before they received the Holy Spirit? That would be completely contrary to Gospel truth.
Only those who repent and believe receive the Spirit, and only those who receive the Spirit are born again (John 1:12,13). Regeneration is the supernatural work of God the Holy Spirit within the person who obeys the Gospel. And it is the Gospel which is the *incorruptible seed* of the New Birth (1 Peter 1:23-25).
Since Peter made it perfectly clear that their sins cold not be remitted until the repented, and that they could not received the Holy Spirit until they repented, what makes you think that they were regenerated before they received the Holy Spirit? That would be completely contrary to Gospel truth.
Only those who repent and believe receive the Spirit, and only those who receive the Spirit are born again (John 1:12,13). Regeneration is the supernatural work of God the Holy Spirit within the person who obeys the Gospel. And it is the Gospel which is the *incorruptible seed* of the New Birth (1 Peter 1:23-25).
Just because repentance is not mentioned in every instance of salvation does not mean that it is not a necessity. What Peter preached was normative for all genuine conversions, and Paul reiterated it in Acts 20:20, 21:
And how I [Paul] kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house, Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
This one passage should be sufficient to show that you are another one who is perverting the Gospel even though you have seen the Scriptures. So you need to change your screen name to "throughunbelief".
And how I [Paul] kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house, Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
This one passage should be sufficient to show that you are another one who is perverting the Gospel even though you have seen the Scriptures. So you need to change your screen name to "throughunbelief".
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. 2 COR. 7:10
Katergazomai: work, do, do deed, to perform, cause, work out
Acts 5:31
He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 11:18
When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”
2 Timothy 2:25
with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,
Romans 2:4
Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
Katergazomai: work, do, do deed, to perform, cause, work out
Acts 5:31
He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 11:18
When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”
2 Timothy 2:25
with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,
Romans 2:4
Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
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And yet you fail to see the difference between Acts 2 .38
/////Just because repentance is not mentioned in every instance of salvation does not mean that it is not a necessity. What Peter preached was normative for all genuine conversions, and Paul reiterated it in Acts 20:20, 21://// from the 29 conversion accounts in Acts you have hand selected 2 . ok that leaves 27 . Then you say "What Peter preached was normative for all genuine conversions,"
Ok before we deal with the rest of what you just said here : ////. I'd like you to show how that what Peter preached in Acts 2 .38 ( to jews on Pentecost , hint ) was and is normative for all conversions including today ?//// The order 1) Repent ( about what , I wonder in the context? )
2) get baptized in water every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
so First we have to repent ( lets ignore what they had to specifically had to repent of as a corporate group for now ) then Get baptised
3) and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
now I know pentacostal churches / camberlites ( Lords navy ) catholics and Charismatic s use these verses also to say this is the example for today. usually spun as David Pawson and Derick Prince would spin it as . Repent , believe, baptise, and recieve .
Other groups will try to twist the verses to try sat ' in order of ' or ' because of ' .
Ok before we deal with the rest of what you just said here : ////. I'd like you to show how that what Peter preached in Acts 2 .38 ( to jews on Pentecost , hint ) was and is normative for all conversions including today ?//// The order 1) Repent ( about what , I wonder in the context? )
2) get baptized in water every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
so First we have to repent ( lets ignore what they had to specifically had to repent of as a corporate group for now ) then Get baptised
3) and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
now I know pentacostal churches / camberlites ( Lords navy ) catholics and Charismatic s use these verses also to say this is the example for today. usually spun as David Pawson and Derick Prince would spin it as . Repent , believe, baptise, and recieve .
Other groups will try to twist the verses to try sat ' in order of ' or ' because of ' .
Things different are not the same . Acts 2.38 is not Acts 20. its much later , different audience and different context. Each time you see the word repent ,ask about what ? from what ? because of what? Then step out of the ACTS OF THE APOSTLES and look for the normative appropriation in the very books that are not THE ACTS OF THE APOSTLES and maybe a book on SOTERIOLOGY, maybe the letters that actually define the Gospel and describe the Gospel .Most errors we have today in the body are to do with not rightly dividing the word of God . The most extreme cases are due to groups using Acts for doctrines. Acts is desriptive not prescriptive.
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If repentence then be batised for
Are you saying Acts 8 ( Ethiopian) and Acts 30.16 were not genuine conversions ? what about where its ' laying on of hands ? Just believe? No baptism mentioned ? no repentance mentioned? ' believe' is the main use . But still I'm not going to make the error and use the Book of acts as the normative example. Yes they were saved ,yes by Faith . But its After the book of Acts we understand the Gospel and the normative application and appropriation .
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You don't have to mow the lawns and do the washing. You do have to open the box & receive it though. 
(The OP listed repenting as a "but") Repenting is not a "work" and is necessary for salvation.
Repenting is accepting the gift because you realise you need it. Jesus doesn't force anyone to take the gift he is giving.
(The OP listed repenting as a "but") Repenting is not a "work" and is necessary for salvation.
Repenting is accepting the gift because you realise you need it. Jesus doesn't force anyone to take the gift he is giving.
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@ForestGreenCook .....Amen!.
You must be dedicated to the Lord, all men fall short of the Glory of God, man cannot do this alone. However he is to make every effort to be like his son Jesus Christ. This takes dedication, fortitude, patience, and repentance all the time. A personal one on one relationship is a must. God wants total dedication and focus to him, not the world and its ideals, values, ethics and morals, but his. Unfortunately the tag chrisitian is now redundant, and saying your a born again Christian more so. Man has a long way to go to please the lord in his endeavours, a Sunday morning at some temple of Baal does not cut it. Get to work people, dedicate yourself totally to the lord, profess your love for him and repent from sin. And someone having no clothes on does not equate to sex. That is the work of satan whispering to you, grow stronger in christ and repent! Read the bible and dont rely on mans interpretation, but the holy spirits. The devil is at work right now harvesting his crop, which is getting larger by the day.
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