Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

[jackrosie]

What I believe? My "belief" comes from Scripture. Again, when your experience doesn't line up with Scripture, never trust your experience, go with Scripture. You are claiming that you are an exception to Scripture. Please reconsider.

My saving is also scriptural.....God brought me to salvation...he chose and drew me...he also testified to my spirit that I am his child......He is my Father,I belong to him.

My saving is nothing to do with my emotions..when I was saved I bought a bible straight away....and there it was...in scripture.

 

[jackrosie]

No, I am not putting anything in your mouth, just wondering but anyway you believe in part to what calvin taught and that's it. Also, I am not upset but of course brace yourselves with what the scriptures says. Iron sharpen iron...but the focus is on what the scripture really is and that will be my intention if not it's others intention.

Others don’t (some) don’t understand my saving.....my saving is scriptural....I only look to the Holy Spirit for guidance...he leads me.......not man.....

 

[fredoheaven]

Ephesians 1 clearly states the order of salvation.

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

1. Hear the word of truth, the gospel of salvation
2. Believe/trust the word of truth, the gospel of salvation
3. Sealed by the Holy Spirit

Also, see Romans 10. Hearing the gospel preached is a prerequisite to believing and being saved.

4 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

In addition Peter says of the word of God is a need to be born again.

King James Version
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

 

[Grandpa]

this crosses the line....

What about her post is causing you to run to the mods?

Isn't this what YOU have done all throughout this thread? Except worse.

Not only have you called what other people believe as 'false" you also go on and accuse them of being in a cult.


My mom used to tell me if you can't take it then don't dish it out. Didn't your mom tell you this too?

 

[Magenta]

There is no question to answer.....God chose,drew me to him.....He Saved me,he witnessed to my Spirit that I am his child.....all scriptural....he spoke to my Spirit I heard.....his calling was irresistible.

For me the "irresistible" aspect was in knowing it was the One true God Who had revealed Himself to me, having nowhere else to turn if I turned away from Truth, but to in effect return to my own vomit as the Scriptures say, if I were to continue to reject, and the acceptance was not easy, whoo boy, did I resist! I was going to church, feeding on the Word of God, and in an Alpha course when it dawned on me one night - I had reached a point where I no longer needed more convincing of the Truth of God's Word, and I finally surrendered my multiple decades' long opposition to Him. I believe a choice had been put before me, that in the natural man I was unable to accept, but as the Spirit of God grew stronger within me, my barriers broke down, in a manner of speaking. I have said it before: when the Truth is revealed, wisdom dictates one response only

 

[jackrosie]

What about her post is causing you to run to the mods?

Isn't this what YOU have done all throughout this thread? Except worse.

Not only have you called what other people believe as 'false" you also go on and accuse them of being in a cult.


My mom used to tell me if you can't take it then don't dish it out. Didn't your mom tell you this too?

Granpa...they are so frustrated because they don’t understand my saving....dc has insulted the brethren on countless threads,not just this one..

 

[jackrosie]

For me the "irresistible" aspect was in knowing it was the One true God Who had revealed Himself to me, having nowhere else to turn if I turned away from Truth, but to in effect return to my own vomit as the Scriptures say, if I were to continue to reject, and the acceptance was not easy, whoo boy, did I resist! I was going to church, feeding on the Word of God, and in an Alpha course when it dawned on me one night - I had reached a point where I no longer needed more convincing of the Truth of God's Word, and I finally surrendered my multiple decades' long opposition to Him. I believe a choice had been put before me, that in the natural man I was unable to accept, but as the Spirit of God grew stronger within me, my barriers broke down, in a manner of speaking. I have said it before: when the Truth is revealed, wisdom dictates one response only

Thank you for sharing your testimony.

 

[garee]

I've looked back on your posts, and you post very little Scripture. Most of the verses you post are just partial verses. So, to be clear, can you post clear Scripture that states that people get saved without hearing the word of God from Scripture? Without hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ? Can you post Scripture that states how you were born again of the Spirit before you heard the word? Or, are you saying you are an exception? Thanks.

We must be careful how we hear or say we hear what the Spirit is saying to us as individuals and a group or family .

Do what you call partial verses give any truth? What would make the partial verses another offers the ones with a higher authority?

It goes back to the foundation of faith . Previously having no faith (not little none) that could please God prior to the first hearing of faith our first experience of believing God not seen .Called our first love in Revelation 2. The love of His labor working in us by which we can return to when we do fall from grace.

God working in a new creature to both will and do his god pleasure. two groups those who murmur like Jonas or those who delight in doing the will of God who works in us to both will and perform His god pleasure. .

Chose today? Murmurers or doers ? Just do it. .(Michael Jordan) or drag ones feet? (its not fair.)

Philippians 2: 13-14 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

 

[Grandpa]

There you have it folks in a nutshell.....the BIBLE is absolutely CLEAR on how God saves his children....and the fact that you claim salvation without the bible and then make that statement about not even KNOWING HOW GOD saves his children, disqualifies you from even saying that you know anything biblical and too be FRANK, is very ALARMING.....TRAGIC!

The Pharisees thought the same thing. They thought the bible was absolutely clear on how God saved His People. They would scoff at someone who claimed they were saved but didn't "know" the same things they did.

The only thing tragic is having the same mindset as a Pharisee.

 

[Magenta]

That is exactly correct. Not being found in Christ and being devoid of faith causes the lost to perish.

But now, you would have people with no sin, because it has been atoned for, that are lost.

I don't believe that. I don't understand how anyone who has been to Christ can believe that. Before we came to Christ we were constantly sinning. And this sin hurt our "ability" to come before God. After coming to Christ we know our sins have been paid for and we can stand before God.

It is not possible to stand before God in a sinful state. It is because of sin that we must come to Christ.

If it has already been atoned for, and everyone can stand before God as Righteous men, then everyone is good to go. God will not cast the Righteous from His Presence.


I think people are really not understanding our Righteousness that we have in Christ and How and Why we have that Righteousness. Our Righteousness, that comes from Christ, does not belong to the unbeliever. It can't. Because like everything else we receive from God, we got it by Grace through Faith.

Hello Mr. Grandpa Those without Christ have died in their sins because they have not accepted the atonement offered through Christ's sacrifice, though... They will still have their sin/s held to their account, as they are left uncovered by/devoid of the saving righteous shed blood of Christ.

 

[jackrosie]

The Pharisees thought the same thing. They thought the bible was absolutely clear on how God saved His People. They would scoff at someone who claimed they were saved but didn't "know" the same things they did.

The only thing tragic is having the same mindset as a Pharisee.

Amen!!

 

[fredoheaven]

That is the clear order of what “YOU” believe salvation to mean.

I have posted how I was saved....countless times......your scripture doesn’t line up with my saving.

Umm, I have to remember Mr. ForrestGreen of always saying that we need to harmonize scripture, if scripture shown is against with other scriptural proof text then something is wrong. Of course, the scripture of truth is not wrong. Our understanding might be wrong. I may miss and mess up. Salvation is by his grace through faith in Christ alone. The gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation with the condition of believing it, Romans 1:16, other than that is false.

 

[jackrosie]

Umm, I have to remember Mr. ForrestGreen of always saying that we need to harmonize scripture, if scripture shown is against with other scriptural proof text then something is wrong. Of course, the scripture of truth is not wrong. Our understanding might be wrong. I may miss and mess up. Salvation is by his grace through faith in Christ alone. The gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation with the condition of believing it, Romans 1:16, other than that is false.

Sorry Fred...I disagree with a lot of what you post...so we will have to agree to disagree.....at least you are respectable about it.....and don’t chant derogatory remarks.

I stand firm on God’s word and won’t be moved by mans teaching.

 

[Grandpa]

Hello Mr. Grandpa Those without Christ have died in their sins because they have not accepted the atonement offered through Christ's sacrifice, though... They will still have their sin/s held to their account, as they are left uncovered by/devoid of the saving righteous shed blood of Christ.

What is there to "accept" if Christ has already died for all sins?

I agree with your statement. I just don't agree with what others have said about Christ being the Atonement for everyone who has ever lived or will live.

 

[EleventhHour]

The Pharisees thought the same thing. They thought the bible was absolutely clear on how God saved His People. They would scoff at someone who claimed they were saved but didn't "know" the same things they did.

The only thing tragic is having the same mindset as a Pharisee.

Are you being serious?
The Pharisees had it wrong, it is not comparable.
Do you deny salvation comes by hearing the Gospel first?

 

[Grandpa]

Granpa...they are so frustrated because they don’t understand my saving....dc has insulted the brethren on countless threads,not just this one..

They don't understand Salvation at all. That is why they argue here. If they understood Salvation they would KNOW that it was not from themselves.

That is all that Calvinism is stating. Which someone who is born again automatically knows. Because the Lord doesn't let saved people think they saved themselves by their good decisions, or by their wisdom, or by their knowledge. The Lord makes sure that when you are saved you KNOW who it is who saved you.


Calvinism goes directly against mens pride and will. That is why so many are against it.

 

[jackrosie]

They don't understand Salvation at all. That is why they argue here. If they understood Salvation they would KNOW that it was not from themselves.

That is all that Calvinism is stating. Which someone who is born again automatically knows. Because the Lord doesn't let saved people think they saved themselves by their good decisions, or by their wisdom, or by their knowledge. The Lord makes sure that when you are saved you KNOW who it is who saved you.


Calvinism goes directly against mens pride and will. That is why so many are against it.

Amen! Granpa!.....all the Glory Goes To God!.....

 

[Grandpa]

Are you being serious?
The Pharisees had it wrong, it is not comparable.
Do you deny salvation comes by hearing the Gospel first?

You think the Pharisees DIDN'T think they were saved?

You think the Pharisees DIDN'T think they were "experts" in scripture and in the knowledge of How God Saves??

It is exactly comparable to EVERYONE who thinks that God must follow some formula that is made up in the mind of men.



Do I deny salvation comes by hearing the Gospel first? First we would have to define what hearing the Gospel is.

But yes, it is not 100% necessary to hear the Gospel FIRST in order to be saved. Break out your bible and read the story of Paul.

 

[Magenta]

Thank you for sharing your testimony.

That is but a small part of it, but you are welcme I have seen at different times, too, very clearly, how all my many years of running and rejecting, my rebellion, hostility and defiance, gave me a deeper understanding of the sate of the natural man toward God, and his need for regeneration, which immensely aided me for many years as I spoke to a wide variety of non-believers online over a period of eight years before landing here. I had been equipped and was being used by God, and it was such an honor, knowing I knew nothing but that which had been gifted/granted/given, unearned, by grace to me... and I do thank God for being so gracious and long suffering toward me, and allowing me to survive the stupidiy of my youth, for many do not survive, and sadly do die in their sins.

 

[EleventhHour]

You think the Pharisees DIDN'T think they were saved?

You think the Pharisees DIDN'T think they were "experts" in scripture and in the knowledge of How God Saves??

It is exactly comparable to EVERYONE who thinks that God must follow some formula that is made up in the mind of men.



Do I deny salvation comes by hearing the Gospel first? First we would have to define what hearing the Gospel is.

But yes, it is not 100% necessary to hear the Gospel FIRST in order to be saved. Break out your bible and read the story of Paul.

Calvinism goes to absurd lengths sometimes to defend their dogma.
Paul persecuted Christians, do you think he did not know what they were preaching????

Jesus appeared to Paul.... He was the Gospel and Yes Paul did hear and see the Gospel before his very eyes!!!