Spiritual nonsense and dealing with it

[Runningman]

I was recently in a discussion with a spiritual narcissist on a different Christian forum and after sharing that the gospel is the “good news” of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) and to “believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation, I was relentlessly attacked and accused of teaching a “decoy“ or “half gospel.” According to the spiritual narcissist, the other half of the gospel involved performance based works salvation and sinless perfection. False teachers are out in full force teaching spiritual nonsense these days on various Christian forums!

I've seen that sort of thing before. Each forum or chat room adopts a particular mood and theology. Many of them become like mini cults. It depends how often bad doctrine is allowed to propagate unchallenged and unchecked. As you pointed out, you were attacked for preaching the gospel. In their mind the real gospel of Christ sounded like the "doctrine of demons" and it was offensive. They need you more than ever, actually. Be sure to study with them as long as possible but they might actually ban you, sadly.

 

[garee]

That's not in Scripture, and it's not supported by Scripture.


You have criticized others for adding to Scripture, but that is exactly what you did here with the words in bold.

I see that a little differently.

A person would have to rightly divide the parable/prophecy in order to see if what I offered is supported by scripture.

He hides the gospel understanding from those who wonder and doubt.

Some like Gordon Fee destroy the intended use of parable. In his book "How To Read the Bible for All Its Worth" . He says parables are fiction, but good fiction is the best way to handle truth. and said telling a story is the point no need to hide anything, walk by sight.

True or false? Is there a spiritual understand hid in prophecy and we look to the unseen eternal and not that seen the temporal ? or the other way around?

How is searching out the meaning of a parable adding?

Not searching makes the teaching that we "walk by sight" .Is that what Jesus was saying to doubting Thomas ? Learn how to walk by sight? .It would seem he apposes that kind of ideology of wondering and not exercising faith. . .believing.

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and (or as) wonders, ye will not believe.

What you offer seems to subtract from the witness (as it is written). As if Christ was trying to appose the teaching of faith .
Previous to the loving commandment of Christ's labor of love : "be not faithless but believe" .Thomas doubted. . he simple fulfilled the law as a witness to the work that worked in Thomas. . That if Christ gives a person the power to believe, in their heart with their mouth they confirm the work of God working from within . ..(

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

The loving law. . .

Romans 10:9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Wondering, doubting . . . .using ones own imagination is not working out the faith of Christ, that does work in us.

The parable remains a parable to those who refuse to do the good work of rightly dividing them .(no gospel message )

I say Thomas was moved by the Holy Spirit to confess the work of Christ, that gave Thomas power to believe, ( be not faithless, but believing. )

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin

Is doubting sin? Or again was Jesus putting his seal of approval on doubt and wondering?

I would suggest. He did not say to Thomas open your eyes and put place your hand here why trust the unseen? ?

 

[Jackson123]

not one pope, but there have been various popes for 1600 years.
there have been various US presidents for 240 years.
there have been various kings for 5,000 years.

i don't see why that excludes any of them, the antichrist isn't born the day before he takes up his seat; how old will he be? say 30?
is he excluded from being himself for 3.5 years because he's lived 30 years? many say he will be a Jew - if he's from the tribe of Dan, is he excluded because the tribe of Dan has existed for thousands of years? maybe he's an imam; is he excluded because imams have existed for 1400 years? what if he's an imam for 15 years before he gains power over the nations? does the 15 years he wasn't ruling the nations make it impossible he does so afterwards?

We have to Remember antichrist not only one, antichrist not only in the world 31/2 years
Many Antichrist have been live since apostle john time.

I believe almost every pope is antichrist

Not all antichrist rule the whole world , but yes there will be one of the antichrist that rule the world.

capischi?

 

[Jackson123]

Antichrist not only one, antichrist have been exist since apostle john time

Not all antichrist rule all the world, only one of them.

 

[jcollins]

Definitely at the top if the list, however labeling it "spiritual nonsense" is too kind.

If i were as dismissive as you are of others statements, knowing we are misled, as the scripture points out The world is under the control of the evil one... I would simply dismiss the bible in its entirety as divisive, which it is. But when i see someone claim another is flawed in his personality, or his understanding, glorifying himself, that person needs reminded the narcissist brother you disdain needs help, and so do you, and so do i.

 

[jcollins]

I was recently in a discussion with a spiritual narcissist on a different Christian forum and after sharing that the gospel is the “good news” of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) and to “believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation, I was relentlessly attacked and accused of teaching a “decoy“ or “half gospel.” According to the spiritual narcissist, the other half of the gospel involved performance based works salvation and sinless perfection. False teachers are out in full force teaching spiritual nonsense these days on various Christian forums!

If i were as dismissive as you are of others statements, knowing we are misled, as the scripture points out The world is under the control of the evil one... I would simply dismiss the bible in its entirety as divisive, which it is. But when i see someone claim another is flawed in his personality, or his understanding, glorifying himself, that person needs reminded the narcissist brother you disdain needs help, and so do you, and so do i.

 

[jcollins]

Thanks I would offer I think a little different .

In the first instance divine is not a nature. Nature denotes beginning. God is a supernatural(no beginning or end) Spirit. God is Light .God is Love.

Seeing no man can serve two teaching masters that which the flesh seen, and the unseen things of God the eternal. A clear distinction must be made between the things of God and those of mankind. .

Good is used as a seal of faith The unseen hand of God, hand of faith . For instance in the beginning God who said "let there be light" having entered the demonstration his glory that illuminated the world and he saw it "His Light" was good. Again Good as his unseen seal of approval.

The light was not to represent the Son seen. Jesus as a apostle was moved by the Holy Spirit working in Jesus to both will and do the god pleasure of the father. Jesus as a prophet brought the light of the gospel as reflect of the unseen glory that worked from within . When he declared the words of His father. . one is good God not seen .They were in agreement The Son chose to do the work of suffering needed while the father empowered Jesus to bring the peace of the gospel .It as it is written surpasses our understanding freely gives us His .

John6: 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me

The father worked in Jesus who knew no sin . One teacher, One master.one Father. one work of faith as a labor of love performed by two.

Yes, performed by two... peace peace when there is no peace.. I think, while in the world, when we read the scriptures someone is whispering in our ear this is what it means, even though, if i contrast much of the scripture with what christ said, it doesn't seem to mean those things at all.

About the things unseen, i think when you read of them, we hear, the unseen things are what you want, or, the unseen things are the principalities you must obey, instead of, the unseen things are the life we were given to live, as humans, in the very seen reality we were given to live in. Unseen because of their tampering. They boast of gifts they do not give.

 

[jcollins]

i don't see how that's so much an answer to my question as it is an attempt to cast doubt on the deity of Christ and promote pantheism..? why would you consider that the answer?




ok let me restate my question a third time:

you said the Enemy's will is to prevent us from "completing our work" before time runs out -- what is that work you're talking about, and what marks the time that's 'too late' ?

If i thought i knew what must be done beyond love God/love brother, i would say so.

Here is something. Mark 13 22. But of that day and hour no one know, not the, ah, angels, not even the son. So if mans operating system is of Christ does not include some things, If, what light is and what trees and seas and messengers of the spirit realm are of the operating system of reality, and do not include some things, then from everything is reality is the son are we.
John 14 20. In that day you will realize that i am in you and you are in me and i am in the father- the father is greater than i.

 

[garee]

Yes, performed by two... peace peace when there is no peace.. I think, while in the world, when we read the scriptures someone is whispering in our ear this is what it means, even though, if i contrast much of the scripture with what christ said, it doesn't seem to mean those things at all.

About the things unseen, i think when you read of them, we hear, the unseen things are what you want, or, the unseen things are the principalities you must obey, instead of, the unseen things are the life we were given to live, as humans, in the very seen reality we were given to live in. Unseen because of their tampering. They boast of gifts they do not give.

yes he has given us that tool to help rightly divide the parables A valuable tool to help us understand by faith the unseen . Its helps to unlock the mysteries made know by faith, the unseen law of believing the voice of our God not seen

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Sort of like two kinds of peace, peace when there is no peace. Or peace peace and there is peace. One that does provide peace living work the other opposition dead work, no faith, There seem to be two kinds of many things. It would seem the witness of God is two, the father and son. He send mankind out two by two. A picture of marriage. The law and the prophets (sola scriptura) etc

One kind, the original comes as it is written and the other the counterfeit oral traditions of mankind. We walk by faith the unseen not after the temporal ( counterfeit). While iron can sharpen iron its not the hand that performs the surgery if any is done. .

Its like he spoke to the Israelites in Egypt having them place blood around the entrance. The Spirit of Christ said ; when I see the blood not when they see it. We walk by faith not by sight . The same with peace when two working together as one say peace, peace the waves or winds became still

Not the peace peace that comes by men wrestling against flesh and blood there is no peace.

 

[Dino246]

I see that a little differently.

A person would have to rightly divide the parable/prophecy in order to see if what I offered is supported by scripture.

He hides the gospel understanding from those who wonder and doubt.

That's not in Scripture... anywhere. As usual, you have invented your own ideas with absolutely no biblical basis.

Some like Gordon Fee destroy the intended use of parable. In his book "How To Read the Bible for All Its Worth" . He says parables are fiction, but good fiction is the best way to handle truth. and said telling a story is the point no need to hide anything, walk by sight.

It's laughable that you, without even a high-school education, think you understand Scripture better than a scholar with decades of experience. If the Holy Spirit were indeed teaching you, it would be possible; however, given your heretical views on other matters, it is clear that you aren't learning from the Holy Spirit either.

How is searching out the meaning of a parable adding?

That isn't what you did. You added words in brackets that are not in the text. That is not "searching out the meaning"!

Not searching makes the teaching that we "walk by sight" .

No; it's called taking the text at face value.

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and (or as) wonders, ye will not believe.

To whom did Jesus say those words? That is critical in understanding them and applying them correctly. You consistently ignore context and misinterpret many passages in Scripture.

What you offer seems to subtract from the witness (as it is written).

Quote me. Your paraphrases of my ideas are a long way from reality.

 

[jcollins]

yes he has given us that tool to help rightly divide the parables A valuable tool to help us understand by faith the unseen . Its helps to unlock the mysteries made know by faith, the unseen law of believing the voice of our God not seen

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Sort of like two kinds of peace, peace when there is no peace. Or peace peace and there is peace. One that does provide peace living work the other opposition dead work, no faith, There seem to be two kinds of many things. It would seem the witness of God is two, the father and son. He send mankind out two by two. A picture of marriage. The law and the prophets (sola scriptura) etc

One kind, the original comes as it is written and the other the counterfeit oral traditions of mankind. We walk by faith the unseen not after the temporal ( counterfeit). While iron can sharpen iron its not the hand that performs the surgery if any is done. .

Its like he spoke to the Israelites in Egypt having them place blood around the entrance. The Spirit of Christ said ; when I see the blood not when they see it. We walk by faith not by sight . The same with peace when two working together as one say peace, peace the waves or winds became still

Not the peace peace that comes by men wrestling against flesh and blood there is no peace.

Christ was convicted by the law, Adam and Eve were convicted by oral law. Traditions both.

Bible say there are three that testify, the father, the word and the holy ghost. From/with these we find peace, and thru these we are a blessing upon the earth. I can find no record within the words of christ only, where blood or violence or any of the works condoned in the old testament or the new testament are attributed to the father, the christ, the holy spirit.

The two i spoke of is men and the enemy of man together.

 

[jcollins]

That's not in Scripture... anywhere. As usual, you have invented your own ideas with absolutely no biblical basis.


It's laughable that you, without even a high-school education, think you understand Scripture better than a scholar with decades of experience. If the Holy Spirit were indeed teaching you, it would be possible; however, given your heretical views on other matters, it is clear that you aren't learning from the Holy Spirit either.


That isn't what you did. You added words in brackets that are not in the text. That is not "searching out the meaning"!


No; it's called taking the text at face value.


To whom did Jesus say those words? That is critical in understanding them and applying them correctly. You consistently ignore context and misinterpret many passages in Scripture.


Quote me. Your paraphrases of my ideas are a long way from reality.

Its aggravating when you cannot make someone understand what is in your mind. For example, in my mind when you claim to have understanding, and berate and cajole someone else you claim does not, He is merely ignorant, but you are arrogant. May I remind you, we all three walk out our door and eat the same camel sandwich. We all three are objects of wrath. Let us all three stop straining out the gnats and address the obvious- Something is wrong with the world, something is wrong with our reasoning and we are being made to argue in an unprofitable manner.

 

[posthuman]

I can find no record within the words of christ

Luke 19:26-27
'For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay [them] before me.'"

 

[dcontroversal]

I was recently in a discussion with a spiritual narcissist on a different Christian forum and after sharing that the gospel is the “good news” of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) and to “believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation, I was relentlessly attacked and accused of teaching a “decoy“ or “half gospel.” According to the spiritual narcissist, the other half of the gospel involved performance based works salvation and sinless perfection. False teachers are out in full force teaching spiritual nonsense these days on various Christian forums!

A simple cursory read of the bible coupled with honesty reveals the absolute factual truth that biblical Christianity and the truth is being fully assaulted on all sides....

On a side note...I am in Australia at the moment and two alarming things have made the news lately.....

a. Going 100% cashless is being pushed and only like 20 to 25% of transactions use cash
b. Mandatory vaccinations for the Covid

Both above equal 100% control of society. Employers seeking the right to fire anyone not taking the vaccination and of course massive fines or not allowed to shop etc. if one is not vaccinated.

In Victoria right now which is in lockdown, one cannot travel mkre than like 5 K (3.1 miles) from their home unless absolutely necessary (like those being allowed to work, doctors app. etc.) and if you have a grocery store in your area and get caught in a different store out of your area it is like a $5000 fine or something and or possible jail)

We are running out of time brother......the world is on the edge of collapse!

 

[EleventhHour]

If i were as dismissive as you are of others statements, knowing we are misled, as the scripture points out The world is under the control of the evil one... I would simply dismiss the bible in its entirety as divisive, which it is. But when i see someone claim another is flawed in his personality, or his understanding, glorifying himself, that person needs reminded the narcissist brother you disdain needs help, and so do you, and so do i.

We are not all mislead.... but yes some are mislead.

And no one was being dismissive.

 

[EleventhHour]

capischi?

A little help here, it is....... capisci

 

[posthuman]

A little help here, it is....... capisci

claro =p

 

[posthuman]

something is wrong with our reasoning and we are being made to argue in an unprofitable manner.

have you sorted out who you say Christ is?

 

[mailmandan]

A simple cursory read of the bible coupled with honesty reveals the absolute factual truth that biblical Christianity and the truth is being fully assaulted on all sides....

On a side note...I am in Australia at the moment and two alarming things have made the news lately.....

a. Going 100% cashless is being pushed and only like 20 to 25% of transactions use cash
b. Mandatory vaccinations for the Covid

Both above equal 100% control of society. Employers seeking the right to fire anyone not taking the vaccination and of course massive fines or not allowed to shop etc. if one is not vaccinated.

In Victoria right now which is in lockdown, one cannot travel mkre than like 5 K (3.1 miles) from their home unless absolutely necessary (like those being allowed to work, doctors app. etc.) and if you have a grocery store in your area and get caught in a different store out of your area it is like a $5000 fine or something and or possible jail)

We are running out of time brother......the world is on the edge of collapse!

Going 100% cashless and mandatory vaccinations for Covid sounds like a step towards the mark of the beast. A little while back on the news there were people in Texas who thought the vaccination was going to be the mark of the beast.

 

[EleventhHour]

Capisce?

I see you need help too.

"Capisci"