Spiritual nonsense and dealing with it

[jcollins]

That is a matter of its coming to Him via illegitimate means versus legitimate means.

If I wanted to be king but wasn't, i would know anyone who was "put under my feet" to become my subject was not genuinely deferring to me, but had been crushed into submission. Such a kingdom, built on blood and suffering would not stand. No, we are Gods kingdom, we are God's ambassadors, as christ says, In that day you will realize that i am in you and you are in me and i am in the father. Thus after the deciever offered the kingdoms to him, and after men tried to make him king by force he deferred to the father, thy will be done. Since the bible credits God as saying; This is my son, listen to him. I am concerned by his statement -all these things will happen, and then the end will come, and I go before you to prepare a place, instead of, my kingdom will be here, he says, if this were my kingdom, my servants would fight to prevent my capture./ A very real allusion to the workings of the enemy of man on the earth.

 

[jcollins]

^ 1 Corinthians 6:3a "Know ye not that we shall judge angels?"

The "24 elders" (IN HEAVEN before Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" by opening the FIRST SEAL--and who I believe are representative of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" [i.e. us]) are shown to be ON THRONES (indicating a certain role), and they "do" more than float around on clouds for eternity.




[1Cor6:2 - "2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?"]

I agree the bible says they have a role in the great judgement, do you not share my concern we are attributing good to evil when we hope for such things? The tone of my original post was a concern the earth was made for us and christ was given to us to build a society with and the end the bible predicts is our failure to realize the joy and revelation that could be ours when we overcome the real sufferings of pain and temporality, address our inability to employ our wise servant in the proper role and live in a world full of christs (children of God). Where is judgement when there is no iniquity?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

@jcollins ^ A couple of things you are conflating (in your Post #21): 1) the chronology (what happens when, in relation to what other things); and 2) Rev19:15b's "and He shall rule [G4165 - poimanei / will shepherd] them [/the nations] with a rod [/sceptre] of iron [righteousness and strength]," where the same Greek word G4165 is translated as "SHALL FEED [them]" in Rev7:17 (a parallel section [vv.14-17 (note: NOT speaking of "the Church which is His body")] to that of Isaiah 49:10, an earthly Millennial Kingdom passage/context (i.e. commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth, yet future). Sounds "horrible," doesn't it?? (not).



[we ARE "ambassadors" because "OUR citizenship is in the heavens [not HERE], from whence also we eagerly await a Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our body of humiliation, conformed to the body of His glory, according to the working enabling Him even to subdue all things to Himself." Philippians 3:20-21; but read also verses 18-19 about "the enemies of the cross of Christ, whose end is destruction..."]

 

[garee]

When accused of being the Lord and Master I think you are referencing christs' statement- why do you call me good, there is only one who is good. In the world mind deception, the hope is you would think christ was referring to the earth, since God called it good, and its quiet true, btw... This is a form of hyper-literalism, to confuse humans into thinking, b/c nature can be violent, and animal society is strength based, we must deny the christ logos and the (order in the random).And listen to the enemy of man trying to deny people the divine nature.

On the last day the kingdoms of this world will... The earth and everything else have been gods since they were created, bible says the kingdoms of the world are become the kingdoms of the lord and his christ. bible also says, The wise servant will rule over a disgraceful son and and will share the inheritance as one of the brothers. Why else would the progenetor have to search for lost sheep?

Christians after the new order... Christian is a label given to some humans by the deceiver, human is label given to all christians at birth, here IS our citizenship, here is where men live, and God strengthens us against the oppression we face because of the gospel, or in a manner justified by the gospel, or because of our mistakes, or others mistakes which is the deciever uses to mock what christ is, and who we are, and how every minute of every day is supposed to be a different experience than what we see, which God gave us at the begining (through christ). Just as God loved christ just for being christ, we too can know such a joy, and will, or will it be too little too late and shall we genuflect night and day forever while the billions lie dead?

Thanks I would offer I think a little different .

In the first instance divine is not a nature. Nature denotes beginning. God is a supernatural(no beginning or end) Spirit. God is Light .God is Love.

Seeing no man can serve two teaching masters that which the flesh seen, and the unseen things of God the eternal. A clear distinction must be made between the things of God and those of mankind. .

Good is used as a seal of faith The unseen hand of God, hand of faith . For instance in the beginning God who said "let there be light" having entered the demonstration his glory that illuminated the world and he saw it "His Light" was good. Again Good as his unseen seal of approval.

The light was not to represent the Son seen. Jesus as a apostle was moved by the Holy Spirit working in Jesus to both will and do the god pleasure of the father. Jesus as a prophet brought the light of the gospel as reflect of the unseen glory that worked from within . When he declared the words of His father. . one is good God not seen .They were in agreement The Son chose to do the work of suffering needed while the father empowered Jesus to bring the peace of the gospel .It as it is written surpasses our understanding freely gives us His .

John6: 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me

The father worked in Jesus who knew no sin . One teacher, One master.one Father. one work of faith as a labor of love performed by two.

 

[jcollins]

@jcollins ^ A couple of things you are conflating (in your Post #21): 1) the chronology (what happens when, in relation to what other things); and 2) Rev19:15b's "and He shall rule [G4165 - poimanei / will shepherd] them [/the nations] with a rod [/sceptre] of iron [righteousness and strength]," where the same Greek word G4165 is translated as "SHALL FEED [them]" in Rev7:17 (a parallel section [vv.14-17 (note: NOT speaking of "the Church which is His body")] to that of Isaiah 49:10, an earthly Millennial Kingdom passage/context (i.e. commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth, yet future). Sounds "horrible," doesn't it?? (not).



[we ARE "ambassadors" because "OUR citizenship is in the heavens [not HERE], from whence also we eagerly await a Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our body of humiliation, conformed to the body of His glory, according to the working enabling Him even to subdue all things to Himself." Philippians 3:20-21; but read also verses 18-19 about "the enemies of the cross of Christ, whose end is destruction..."]

we eagerly await a Saviour, These were the sayings of the Israelites who rejected him when he came b/c he did not do what they wanted him to do, he was killed and Jerusalem was destroyed. Now here again, we are waiting for him to come, and the end will be the same, if the scripture has any say in it. That we are from the father (citizens of heaven) is a double entendre the deceiver will use to reassure us, we have a heavenly home, so we can find peace in our dubious wait, and a goading when you realize, the society we must have to flourish here will come from within (logos, morality, fellowship) not from the world. In that day you will realize i am in you and you are in me and i am in the father. So do i justify my fears, we wait in vain only for the very end we were told was coming, fire and pestilence and famine. (Just like what christ brought when he came last time, right?)

 

[posthuman]

The writers of the various scriptures had one way they intended what they wrote to be received.

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And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all, nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.” Now this he did not say on his own; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad.​

(John 11:49-52)​

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sometimes God has an intention for what is said which is not the intention of the one saying it.

 

[posthuman]

When we search the scriptures we really need to take it serious.

amen! and to be serious, keep it in Christ. He is the key: if any interpretation leaves out the One who said "search the scriptures" it isn't the correct interpretation: because as He said when He said "search!" -- they testify of Him.

 

[posthuman]

We gonna run out of time and fail to finish our work

what's "our work" ?

 

[jcollins]

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And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all, nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.” Now this he did not say on his own; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad.​

(John 11:49-52)​

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sometimes God has an intention for what is said which is not the intention of the one saying it.

Jerusalem was destroyed

 

[posthuman]

So you agree with me when i ask- is not love god, love your brother enough?

Certainly. That is at the heart of the Law of Love.

no. love the LORD your God, walking humbly before Him.

 

[posthuman]

Jerusalem was destroyed

"Jerusalem which is above, is free"

 

[jcollins]

what's "our work" ?

If i thought i knew what must be done beyond love god love brother, i'd say so.

 

[posthuman]

no. love the LORD your God, walking humbly before Him.

it's not 'god' but a particular God - we know His name and His appearing - not any god of one's own making. if one doesn't believe the scripture; i think therefore that in that case, when they say 'love god' they aren't talking about the LORD who breathed it.

then it is not enough.

 

[posthuman]

If i thought i knew what must be done beyond love god love brother, i'd say so.

you said the Enemy wishes to prevent us from completing it 'before time runs out' -- completing what? & what's the timer?

 

[posthuman]

If christ didn't want them when they were offered in the desert, do you think he will want them at the end?

you don't understand;

"you would have no authority without that it had been given from above"
(John 19:11)

"all authority is given unto Me in heaven and in earth"
(Matthew 28:18)
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there is nothing that can be offered to Him which He does not already own

 

[jcollins]

no. love the LORD your God, walking humbly before Him.

Aaaah. Exactly. And adding to faith and virtue knowledge and self control, comes the inquisition; WHO IS THE LORD? Lord you call me and rightly so, for that is what i am, why do you not do what i say? So if our reaction to our tumultuous surroundings is, this does not agree with my morality, and if you have treated others as you wished to be treated, if you are still not aware of the fact He is in you and you are in him and he is in the father, then you might listen to any foreign entity who bids you serve, or look to your contemporaries for guidance, as i have been doing, or stop denying the God given logos in yourself saying, something must be done, instead of finishing the fools equation and adding to self control persevearance unto death or revelation, which is what we are doing.

 

[posthuman]

When accused of being the Lord and Master

"accused" ??

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they worshiped Him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy​

(Luke 24:52)
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He is LORD and Master

 

[posthuman]

WHO IS THE LORD?

good question!

what about you; who do you say that Jesus is?

 

[posthuman]

How should Christians deal with false beliefs? Quite simply by believing what is actually revealed in Scripture, without any reference to man-made doctrines.

yes, i agree

am hoping we can expand on this part of the OP - since, the principle of it is that we do this, rather than talk about all that?

 

[jcollins]

you said the Enemy wishes to prevent us from completing it 'before time runs out' -- completing what? & what's the timer?

Here is something. Mark 13 22. But of that day and hour no one know, not the, ah, angels, not even the son. So if mans operating system is of Christ does not include some things, If, what light is and what trees and seas and messengers of the spirit realm are of the operating system of reality, and do not include some things, then from everything is reality is the son are we.
John 14 20. In that day you will realize that i am in you and you are in me and i am in the father- the father is greater than i.