Spiritual nonsense and dealing with it

[posthuman]

The Antichrist has been given ONLY 42 MONTHS to rule the world. That proves that the pope is not the Antichrist.

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev 13:5)

42 months = 1260 days = 3 1/2 years = time (1 yr) + times (2 yrs) +half a time (6 months). This is the first half of a seven-year period called Daniel's 70th Week.

i don't think that proves the antichrist can't be a pope. suppose for 3.5 years a pope had pulled double-duty sitting on the throne of the HRE in medieval Europe? how would the amount of time he held all worldly power disqualify him?

 

[jcollins]

you don't understand;

"you would have no authority without that it had been given from above"​

(John 19:11)​

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"all authority is given unto Me in heaven and in earth"​

(Matthew 28:18)​

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there is nothing that can be offered to Him which He does not already own

You would have no authority, Sounds alot like, If i spoke what is wrong, correct me, but if i spoke truth, why strike me? A goading in other words, in fact the testament is full of christ asking authority figures why they deny their truth, You have a fine way of setting your laws above the commandments of God. Beyond that, if it is an allusion to a subscriptural conversation, i don't know.

You quote christ saying authority begins and ends with him, true, why then it is written the son of man must suffer at the hands of men?
So who does recieve ownership, when men no longer abide, and a man destroys his brother, and women destroy their own babies?

 

[posthuman]

Here is something. Mark 13 22. But of that day and hour no one know, not the, ah, angels, not even the son. So if mans operating system is of Christ does not include some things, If, what light is and what trees and seas and messengers of the spirit realm are of the operating system of reality, and do not include some things, then from everything is reality is the son are we.
John 14 20. In that day you will realize that i am in you and you are in me and i am in the father- the father is greater than i.

i don't see how that's so much an answer to my question as it is an attempt to cast doubt on the deity of Christ and promote pantheism..? why would you consider that the answer?




ok let me restate my question a third time:

you said the Enemy's will is to prevent us from "completing our work" before time runs out -- what is that work you're talking about, and what marks the time that's 'too late' ?

 

[Duskey]

I was recently in a discussion with a spiritual narcissist on a different Christian forum and after sharing that the gospel is the “good news” of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) and to “believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation, I was relentlessly attacked and accused of teaching a “decoy“ or “half gospel.” According to the spiritual narcissist, the other half of the gospel involved performance based works salvation and sinless perfection. False teachers are out in full force teaching spiritual nonsense these days on various Christian forums!

What forum? PM me if you prefer to keep it on the low.

 

[posthuman]

That is a matter of its coming to Him via illegitimate means versus legitimate means.

legitimate vs. illegitimate is a matter of His own perfect will.

 

[posthuman]

the hope is you would think christ was referring to the earth, since God called it good, and its quiet true, btw...

He later cursed the ground for Adam's sake.

 

[jcollins]

good question!

what about you; who do you say that Jesus is?

I think you've read my posts... Here's a question though... Have you ever met a woman? I often wonder myself. Much of what i understand of christs' teachings resonate with my own self beliefs, his behavior, even given the oppression he faced, i can relate to, but where is the human bride? Lets not get metaphorical about the church, i mean, what is woman really like, who has never known oppression or disdain, who never was hurt or hurt others, who, if she lived in Jerusalem @ 30AD would have embodied the same logos/morality/fellowship the male christ had. For he made them, male and female, and they would surely have been as unique as we are today, minus all the crap that has came with living here, today... What could she have contributed to his true life, and the one that arose out of the iniquities? I have seen, as with men, glimses of purity in women, a consideration here, a tone of voice there, but alas, corrupt, as we all are, but how much more willing to stand together would we be, if they had had a picture to relate with in their discerning of world behavior?

 

[posthuman]

Jesus who knew no sin

isn't a sin to allow people to worship you, unless you're God?
because Jesus did, repeatedly

 

[posthuman]

I think you've read my posts...

i think you should be able & willing to plainly answer.

 

[posthuman]

Just like what christ brought when he came last time, right?

they will say, "everything goes on as it has since the beginning"

 

[posthuman]

You quote christ saying authority begins and ends with him, true, why then it is written the son of man must suffer at the hands of men?

does something make you think it is not His will that He be put to grief?
"who then can be saved?"

 

[Nehemiah6]

i don't think that proves the antichrist can't be a pope. suppose for 3.5 years a pope had pulled double-duty sitting on the throne of the HRE in medieval Europe? how would the amount of time he held all worldly power disqualify him?

The pope has NEVER held all worldly power. He had power only over the European (primarily Western European) Catholic nations. The Byzantine Empire had an even vaster range of political power at the same time. However, the Antichrist will have TOTAL CONTROL of every nation in the world for 3 1/2 years. Kindly read and study Revelation 13.

 

[garee]

isn't a sin to allow people to worship you, unless you're God?
because Jesus did, repeatedly

Anything that is not of the work of Christ's faith , the righteousness which is of God not seen is sin.

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

It is a sin in worshipping the lord not seen as if he was a man seen .

The first commandment no gods before God to include one self.

It is represented by the law of blasphemy No sin of blasphemy against the Son of man seen .When he disappeared sin came . The 33 year old window closed .

Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

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[posthuman]

The pope has NEVER held all worldly power. He had power only over the European (primarily Western European) Catholic nations. The Byzantine Empire had an even vaster range of political power at the same time. However, the Antichrist will have TOTAL CONTROL of every nation in the world for 3 1/2 years. Kindly read and study Revelation 13.

yeah i'm not saying he has. i'm saying, the mere fact that the antichrist controls the world for 3.5 years doesn't exclude a pope. that was the argument you gave to Jackson, that because the antichrist holds power for 3.5 years it's impossible it can be a pope. i'm not saying the antichrist will be a pope or not -- i just don't think your counterargument is a proof. why does that timespan exclude any pope?

the hypothetical situation i proposed was only to illustrate that history has proven it's not impossible for a pope to rule a combined religious & secular throne over many nations.

 

[posthuman]

It is a sin in worshipping the lord not seen as if he was a man seen

when Thomas worshiped Him who he saw, Christ commended Thomas for seeing and believing.

haven't you got Thomas in sin here because he saw the Lord, and Jesus in sin here because He approves Thomas's worship?

 

[garee]

when Thomas worshiped Him who he saw, Christ commended Thomas for seeing and believing.

haven't you got Thomas in sin here because he saw the Lord, and Jesus in sin here because He approves Thomas's worship?

Before doubting Thomas was given the faith of Christ to believe God .Thomas had doubt. Knowing anything that is not of faith (yes or no) is sin. faith is absent when a person wonders or marvel. marvel and then walk by faith . some continue to wonder..

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

John 20:26-28 King James Version (KJV) And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas (filled with the Spirit ) answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Words of faith ( be not faithless, but believing) removed doubt (unbelief)

It was a commandment to Philp to believe, (be not faithless, but believing.) Where faith was absent before. Again the commandment just like the commandment spoken of to the person in Acts 14 Rise walk a gospel work . . .. the flesh profited for nothing the living words he spoke unto Philip are spirit and spirit life given.

 

[Dino246]

faith is absent when a person wonders or marvel.

That's not in Scripture, and it's not supported by Scripture.

John 20:26-28 King James Version (KJV) And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas (filled with the Spirit ) answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

You have criticized others for adding to Scripture, but that is exactly what you did here with the words in bold.

 

[Nehemiah6]

i just don't think your counterargument is a proof. why does that timespan exclude any pope?

The pope's been around for about 1,600 years. That automatically excludes him. God allows the Antichrist ONLY 3 1/2 years. Capisce?

 

[Jackson123]

The pope has NEVER held all worldly power. He had power only over the European (primarily Western European) Catholic nations. The Byzantine Empire had an even vaster range of political power at the same time. However, the Antichrist will have TOTAL CONTROL of every nation in the world for 3 1/2 years. Kindly read and study Revelation 13.

That is the last antichrist, and It may last pope, antichrist is many not only 1 and start at apostle John time

1 John 2:18
King James Version
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

 

[posthuman]

The pope's been around for about 1,600 years. That automatically excludes him. God allows the Antichrist ONLY 3 1/2 years. Capisce?

not one pope, but there have been various popes for 1600 years.
there have been various US presidents for 240 years.
there have been various kings for 5,000 years.

i don't see why that excludes any of them, the antichrist isn't born the day before he takes up his seat; how old will he be? say 30?
is he excluded from being himself for 3.5 years because he's lived 30 years? many say he will be a Jew - if he's from the tribe of Dan, is he excluded because the tribe of Dan has existed for thousands of years? maybe he's an imam; is he excluded because imams have existed for 1400 years? what if he's an imam for 15 years before he gains power over the nations? does the 15 years he wasn't ruling the nations make it impossible he does so afterwards?

capischi?