Predestination.
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what do you make of Romans 8 .23 ?
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, WAITING for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. This verse is saying we are waiting for the Adoption. And that this future adoption is the redemption of the body .
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, WAITING for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. This verse is saying we are waiting for the Adoption. And that this future adoption is the redemption of the body .
My perspective is that we respond after we are preached the gospel
Prior to that, we were on the road to hell
That is understanding based on living in the time dimension
But in God point of view, he is outside time, he is able to know, the moment we were born, that we would accept him. He could see ahead of time
Thus, from his point of view, we were predestined to be saved the moment we were born
Prior to that, we were on the road to hell
That is understanding based on living in the time dimension
But in God point of view, he is outside time, he is able to know, the moment we were born, that we would accept him. He could see ahead of time
Thus, from his point of view, we were predestined to be saved the moment we were born
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So I am not a son now?
Romans 8:15
For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
John 1: 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
1 John 3: 1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
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Romans 8:15
For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
John 1: 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
1 John 3: 1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
need I find more
Language is given by God to transmit ideas. It has rules to make the ideas transmitted clear and understandable. In every use of the word "predestinated", God POINTEDLY did not use "salvation", and POINTEDLY used other concepts. You can only work with this. Your extrapolation is not allowed. If you do extrapolate, you give another idea that was not given by God. Let me give an example;
Jesus took the form of a Serpent in John 12:32. Extrapolation says then that Jesus is a Serpent. But He is not. The story is in Numbers 21, and the BRASS modifies the nature of the serpent. Jesus took sin a nd sins upon Himself to JUDGE them, not to be partaker of them. Extrapolation will lead to mischief.
Jesus took the form of a Serpent in John 12:32. Extrapolation says then that Jesus is a Serpent. But He is not. The story is in Numbers 21, and the BRASS modifies the nature of the serpent. Jesus took sin a nd sins upon Himself to JUDGE them, not to be partaker of them. Extrapolation will lead to mischief.
Thank you for your various postings. I agree with you in the main. The resurrection is guaranteed by the Spirit in us now. This resurrection is the "adoption of our body" which was "purchased" on Golgotha. But, going further, the "adoption of sons" is a legal standing that makes us eligible to be HEIRS - and HEIRS with Christ for whatever He INHERITS (Rom.8:17, Gal.4:7, Eph.3:6).
I think that the onus is on you to show, by plain language, IN SCRIPTURE, that salvation is predestined. I gave a number of verses with the word "predestinated" and they made the predestination for other things. God did not make a mistake. Nowhere is "salvation" predestined in the Bible. "Foreknowledge" - yes. "Predestination" - NO.
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No, the onus is on you to show me where any of those people were not saved
remember, this is before time began, and Paul said us so we individually where chosen
if I am predestined to those things, and hose things are impossible without salvation, then it would be impossible to be predestined apart from salvation .
remember, this is before time began, and Paul said us so we individually where chosen
if I am predestined to those things, and hose things are impossible without salvation, then it would be impossible to be predestined apart from salvation .
