Not By Works
- Thread starter dcontroversal
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
26 For at our sinning voluntarily after obtaining the recognition of the truth, it is no longer leaving a sacrifice concerned with sins,
27 but a certain fearful waiting for judging and fiery jealousy, about to be eating the hostile."
28 Anyone repudiating Moses' law is dying without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 Of how much worse punishment, are you supposing, will he be counted worthy who tramples on the Son of God, and deems the blood of the covenant by which he is hallowed contaminating, and outrages the spirit of grace?
It begins by if we choose to sin
Then it shows what happens under Moses Law
Then it shows what happens under the New Covenant of Christ
And you turned it all into the LAW!
Insanity!
27 but a certain fearful waiting for judging and fiery jealousy, about to be eating the hostile."
28 Anyone repudiating Moses' law is dying without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 Of how much worse punishment, are you supposing, will he be counted worthy who tramples on the Son of God, and deems the blood of the covenant by which he is hallowed contaminating, and outrages the spirit of grace?
It begins by if we choose to sin
Then it shows what happens under Moses Law
Then it shows what happens under the New Covenant of Christ
And you turned it all into the LAW!
Insanity!
-
1
- Show all
I'm still waiting for you to answer:
When you had me on ignore, you were busy slinging insults and callow name calling at me.
Right? Do you realize how very callow that is? In fact I called you on it publicly. Own up. Why not admit and answer what I said you've done. Own it, and be a man. You were doing that, right? We weren't even in dialog, but you were still doing it, right? Right? It was callow too, correct? Answer that like a man.
Now to your accusations:
Slander? Really? Do you know what the meaning of that is? It means to make lies about a person. Now, give me some proof of the accusation or put an end to it. Deal?
I mean, actually offer some proof, not just another one of your posts accusing without evidence. Since my slander is "so deep" it should be very easy to prove it. Prove it.
I considered taking the high road, and not post your words. Don't push me, I'm trying to be Christian about it, and not prove you wrong. OK?
Now, I do have your quotes that prove:
1) I am not lying as you've stated.
2) That you do in fact teach what I said. That's why I kept posting your teachings, and finally got you to deny it as I had thought you would.
There was and is no reason for me to lie about what you teach. Why would I? My attempt is to get you to see your teachings equal merited favor.
By the way, you've falsely accused me of being chosen because I think I'm special, so that's why I am elected. That's an asinine accusation and is of course baseless.
I don't teach that. I've given you biblical answers proving it, and I adhere to unconditional election, which is further proof. Yet you overlook all that and don't have any decency to accept the fact I do not believe what you say I believe.
The very text of 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 proves and states my position, which I got from Scripture. There is no reason for God to choose anyone, other than his own purpose, counsel and will. I didn't merit it, as in your teaching, because God saw I'd choose. But of course you overlooked all the Biblical reasons I gave for my position, and instead of accepting hat came right back accusing, insulting, lying about my beliefs, putting words in my mouth.
Right? Isn't that what you did? Of course it is. Own it and man up.
More insults. I've offered none. You're correct, I am a nobody. The thing is that kind of behavior is what it is and I called you on it.
I sit here and scream? Wow. LOL!
Of course I called out DC. What I said is true, and, well, he is proving it is still true.
Once again: Provide the evidence I do all these things. All you are doing is repeating unsubstantiated accusations, over, and over, and over. Provide the proof.
Yes, I was put on time out for calling out your behavior and the behavior of DC. That doesn't mean what I said was untrue, it just means they put me in time out, and to me totally worth it. I assumed a price may have to be paid, but I wanted to call out your behavior nonetheless.
Why put you on ignore? I want to see what you say and teach.
When you had me on ignore, you were busy slinging insults and callow name calling at me.
Right? Do you realize how very callow that is? In fact I called you on it publicly. Own up. Why not admit and answer what I said you've done. Own it, and be a man. You were doing that, right? We weren't even in dialog, but you were still doing it, right? Right? It was callow too, correct? Answer that like a man.
Now to your accusations:
Slander? Really? Do you know what the meaning of that is? It means to make lies about a person. Now, give me some proof of the accusation or put an end to it. Deal?
I mean, actually offer some proof, not just another one of your posts accusing without evidence. Since my slander is "so deep" it should be very easy to prove it. Prove it.
I considered taking the high road, and not post your words. Don't push me, I'm trying to be Christian about it, and not prove you wrong. OK?
Now, I do have your quotes that prove:
1) I am not lying as you've stated.
2) That you do in fact teach what I said. That's why I kept posting your teachings, and finally got you to deny it as I had thought you would.
There was and is no reason for me to lie about what you teach. Why would I? My attempt is to get you to see your teachings equal merited favor.
By the way, you've falsely accused me of being chosen because I think I'm special, so that's why I am elected. That's an asinine accusation and is of course baseless.
I don't teach that. I've given you biblical answers proving it, and I adhere to unconditional election, which is further proof. Yet you overlook all that and don't have any decency to accept the fact I do not believe what you say I believe.
The very text of 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 proves and states my position, which I got from Scripture. There is no reason for God to choose anyone, other than his own purpose, counsel and will. I didn't merit it, as in your teaching, because God saw I'd choose. But of course you overlooked all the Biblical reasons I gave for my position, and instead of accepting hat came right back accusing, insulting, lying about my beliefs, putting words in my mouth.
Right? Isn't that what you did? Of course it is. Own it and man up.
More insults. I've offered none. You're correct, I am a nobody. The thing is that kind of behavior is what it is and I called you on it.
I sit here and scream? Wow. LOL!
Of course I called out DC. What I said is true, and, well, he is proving it is still true.
Once again: Provide the evidence I do all these things. All you are doing is repeating unsubstantiated accusations, over, and over, and over. Provide the proof.
Yes, I was put on time out for calling out your behavior and the behavior of DC. That doesn't mean what I said was untrue, it just means they put me in time out, and to me totally worth it. I assumed a price may have to be paid, but I wanted to call out your behavior nonetheless.
Why put you on ignore? I want to see what you say and teach.
-
1
- Show all
See post #19 from the link below for a thorough explanation of Hebrews 10:26-29.
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/that-hebrews-10v26-thread.189675/
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/that-hebrews-10v26-thread.189675/
-
3
- Show all
E
You can obey the law all you want, but when you do you exclude Grace.
Grace and Law do not mix.
‘But you go and figure out what this means: I will have mercy, and not sacrifice. No man sews a piece of new cloth on an old garment, or the patch will shrink and the tear will be worse. Neither do men put new wine into old bottles or the bottles break and the wine runs out and the bottles are ruined, but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are saved’ (Matthew 9:14-17).
Do you obey all of the Law?
Grace and Law do not mix.
‘But you go and figure out what this means: I will have mercy, and not sacrifice. No man sews a piece of new cloth on an old garment, or the patch will shrink and the tear will be worse. Neither do men put new wine into old bottles or the bottles break and the wine runs out and the bottles are ruined, but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are saved’ (Matthew 9:14-17).
Do you obey all of the Law?