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EleventhHour

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biker said:
“For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.
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That is not discussing the Law!

The Law was never the "Knowledge of Truth."
Christ is the "Knowledge of Truth!"

Therefore, this verse should read:
“For if we sin deliberately after receiving (CHRIST), there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.

Christ is our Sacrifice for sins and this verse is not about the Law!
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It about going back under the law and how the law did not provide an atonement for ....."high handed sin"
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Absolutely not!

But thankfully you walked away from that evil thing.

I was surprised by the response you got; I figured the "you were never saved to begin with" card would have been pulled on you. That would have been a little more tolerable than out right saying you would be saved in devil worship.
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I still am shocked by claiming I could be in the very act of giving honor to Satan and God is still going to give me Heaven!

Unbelievable!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I still am shocked by claiming I could be in the very act of giving honor to Satan and God is still going to give me Heaven!

Unbelievable!
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I think the fact you stated you did not feel any conviction answers the question clearly
 
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“For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.
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In Hebrews 10:26, to "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle shows willful, habitual continuous action. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
The sin he is talking about is returning to law

your trying to pull a verse out of context, the whole book of hebrews is to explain grave vs law, why the law is weak, why the new way is better and the dangers of returning to law.

what saddens me now is you must think your sin are accidents, or oppsies, do you tell that to God? Oops, is, sorry God that was an accident I did not mean to do that that was not my will?
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Hebrews 10:26-29
“For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.

A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses.

How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace ?”




READ CLOSELY:
How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace ?”
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That is You and Me choosing to SIN! That has NOTHING to do with the Law.
 
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READ CLOSELY:
How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace ?”
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That is You and Me choosing to SIN! That has NOTHING to do with the Law.



It shows this person was SANCTIFIED! That is SAVED by Christ!
 
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Fastfredy0 said:
Read a couple Systematic Theology books and you will probably double your knowledge
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Not trying to insult you, but.

Man, how did that work out for Eve?

And when the woman saw that the tree was... a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof... (Genesis 3:6).

I think its best to remain in the uncorruptible word of God.

Too much knowledge can lead to this:

Do not make yourself overly wise: why destroy yourself? (Ecclesiastes 7:16).
 
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And obeying the Law is not sinning!
Obeying the 10 Commandments is not sinning!

How did you get keeping the Law is to sin?


These are showing what happens when you SIN.

Under the LAW when you sin you are killed.

Under Christ when you deliberately sin you get Eternal Damnation!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Hebrews 10:26-29
“For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.

A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses.

How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace ?”




READ CLOSELY:
How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace ?”
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That is You and Me choosing to SIN! That has NOTHING to do with the Law.
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it is you spurning grace by returning to the law in which there is no forgiveness

again, do you think all of your ins are not willful?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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And obeying the Law is not sinning!
Obeying the 10 Commandments is not sinning!

How did you get keeping the Law is to sin?


These are showing what happens when you SIN.

Under the LAW when you sin you are killed.

Under Chrost when you deliberately sin you get Eternal Damnation!
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You can’t obey the law that’s why the law can not save, because the blood of bulls goats can never take away sin

thats why when you spurn grace and willingly go back, (in which case that is where your true faith always was) there is no More sacrifice, You rejected gods grace, and willingly went back to what could never save you. Like in hebrews y, you have crucified Christ again putting him to open shame.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
it is you spurning grace by returning to the law in which there is no forgiveness

again, do you think all of your ins are not willful?
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You have no idea what you're claiming.

Who obeys the Law even under Christ and goes to Hell?
Obeying the LAW is not a sin!

Are you off your ROCKER?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You have no idea what you're claiming.

Who obeys the Law even under Christ and goes to Hell?
Obeying the LAW is not a sin!

Are you off your ROCKER?
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Dude you evidently do not understand a thing I am saying, I never claimed what you are saying here

before you start attacking someone, I suggest you stop talking and listen to what others are saying,
 
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You can try to align with the LAW to be a better person. That is not a SIN!

Where does the Bible claim trying to keep the LAW is a sin?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You can try to align with the LAW to be a better person. That is not a SIN!

Where does the Bible claim trying to keep the LAW is a sin?
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The law was given to condemn you so you would be led to Christ not make you a better person.
 
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