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The Jews were not expected to believe that one is sent by God to them unless he performed the signs and wonders.
It began in Exodus 4. Notice God did not tell Moses to tell the Jews to believe by faith that God sent him to them?
And at the end of that chapter, Moses performed the signs, and then they believed.
It began in Exodus 4. Notice God did not tell Moses to tell the Jews to believe by faith that God sent him to them?
And at the end of that chapter, Moses performed the signs, and then they believed.
When you stated
So many people use this out of its context. They read Paul's mystery grace revelation into it when that was not the intention of what Jesus was saying above.
John wrote his gospel as a record of the 8 signs that Jesus performed in order for Jews to believe that he is their promised Messiah (John 20:30-31).
In that record, the signs are seen as works of God. There are at least two times the John account explains that.
John 10:
24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
John 14
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Once you understand what John was trying to do in his gospel, this verse you quoted is not saying we are trying to make it say, after we read Paul's revelation of the mystery.
Jesus was not saying to "believe in his death burial and resurrection and that is all you need to do to be saved." He was telling the Jews to believe in the signs, that he is their promised Messiah.
John wrote his gospel as a record of the 8 signs that Jesus performed in order for Jews to believe that he is their promised Messiah (John 20:30-31).
In that record, the signs are seen as works of God. There are at least two times the John account explains that.
John 10:
24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
John 14
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Once you understand what John was trying to do in his gospel, this verse you quoted is not saying we are trying to make it say, after we read Paul's revelation of the mystery.
Jesus was not saying to "believe in his death burial and resurrection and that is all you need to do to be saved." He was telling the Jews to believe in the signs, that he is their promised Messiah.
I received those words from Holy Spirit preacher, and you can reject if you like, but be careful with what you say.
Ive already stated that I understand what biker is saying and I think you are saying the same.
Im just not sure if I had a choice or not to accept the lord. The Lord spoke to me and asked me which way I would go. The circumstances of my life were such that I can’t think I would have refused.
I have many questions. But, not for this thread.
The works that we are to do are not good works that anyone can do. Unless led.
These works man cannot produce.
It’s all about Holy Spirit now.
Ive already stated that I understand what biker is saying and I think you are saying the same.
Im just not sure if I had a choice or not to accept the lord. The Lord spoke to me and asked me which way I would go. The circumstances of my life were such that I can’t think I would have refused.
I have many questions. But, not for this thread.
The works that we are to do are not good works that anyone can do. Unless led.
These works man cannot produce.
It’s all about Holy Spirit now.
I just learned: the "G" stands for Gould
You want to see how these jokers constantly contradict themselves........and this is how they all are....from peddler of Calvin Klein to this joker you addressed as well as the Pharisees and Cainologists....drum roll please....
biker said:
In the Hebrew there is a word that means MERCIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS endless s here
biker said:
In the Hebrew there is a word that means MERCIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS endless s here
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