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EleventhHour

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eternally-gratefull said:
See this is what they want us to think

there are 100 people in rough sees, all of them are drowning, non of them will survive unless they are saved, and non of them deserve to be rescued or can earn it

god comes and although god has the power to save all 100. He choses instead to save part of them and just lets the others drown.
and they want us to think we merit salvation, yet refuse to acknowledge they are special people because god chose them over others.

its sickening to be honest
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VERY!!!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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biker said:
No, Christ even said we are all given a measure of faith. This is in general to all humans. But we still must use this measure properly. By Believing in Christ, we have used it towards Salvation, which it was intended for. It's still a choice how we use it!
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Sorry but this makes no sense
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Ok

we are talking about how one is saved though, not what a person does
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Does not matter. God gives all of us a measure of Faith. And from there, it's how we use that Faith that matters. When we use to Believe in Christ, we are Saved! It' still comes down to personal choice in the matter!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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biker said:
Does not matter. God gives all of us a measure of Faith. And from there, it's how we use that Faith that matters. When we use to Believe in Christ, we are Saved! It' still comes down to personal choice in the matter!
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God does not give an unbeliever a measure of faith, that passage is in relation to believers only
 
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God called each one of us. But each one of us still had to say, I am here God. This is action we took.
God has called every human being, and the majority have said, NO thank you! This is action they took.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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biker said:
Indeed, but to the Jew they understood God's Mercy. The Gentile was never relative to this, but we understand Grace.
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I think david understood grace clearly. As did ninevah who repented
 
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eternally-gratefull

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biker said:
God called each one of us. But each one of us still had to say, I am here God. This is action we took.
God has called every human being, and the majority have said, NO thank you! This is action they took.
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We can say I am hear god all we want, if we have not recieved his gift of adoption it is useless
 
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eternally-gratefull

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biker said:
I know sinners who would put your Faith to shame!
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You do not know me, So now your just being arrogant.

we are all sinners

there are born again sinners and non believers, who are lost

they are lost because they have not believed,
 
Fastfredy0

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eternally-gratefull said:
can you explain this to me?
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I find many of your post to be incoherent ...
I find your ability understand
preacher4truth said:
Them: "We're saved by our free will! God left it up to us!"

God: "Nope, what I said in John 1:13 refutes this. None are saved by the will of man."

Them? They're still arguing with God.
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Agreed.

Oh, John 1:12-13 .. favorites of mine.

Them: Rarely use scripture to back up what they have to say
Them: Rarely answer any questions ... more an attack and hide methodology
Them: Man is SO, SO important ... often viewing scripture from man's point of view (which is of NO MATTER) instead of God's
Them: God loves everyone so He must do this and that as man is so valuable. Never a view of God being holy and the contradiction that exists when one insists God must love those that are evil.
Them: God has to be fair (by their detorted definition of fairness)
Them: Imaginary 'prevenient grace'
Them: Ignore the depravity of man .. that NO ONE SEEKS GOD
Them: I can raise myself from the SPIRITUALLY DEAD
Them: I can force God to Adopt me (bringing new meaning to adopt)
Them: I can cause myself to be BORN AGAIN.... every other birth is from a parent
Them: God is dependent upon me for His knowledge ... He looks into the future to determine what I will do and makes decisions
Them: God is sovereign, but not in everything. Man determines who will be God children, man determines his good deeds
Them: Yes, God has Freedom ... but man is very important and his freedom to decide whom God will save is subservient.
Them: I am God's sheep. I chose my shephard
Them: Phil 1:29 ... It is granted to me to believe ... but I granted God would grant that I be granted to believe
Them: Yeah, I saved myself by my righteous act of Faith ... but that is not merit despite the dictionary definition.
Them: I am going to heaven because of my cooperation with God while others did not cooperate. But no reason to boast
Them: Eph. 2:8-9 ... yeah, well it may say that Faith is a gift from God ...but that is not true because (insert reason here)
Them: Well, Jesus died for people that will never believe ... but this was not in vain
Them: John 3:44-45,65 ... response ... some sort of isogesis
Yahda, yahda, yahda
 
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