Are you a Trinitarian, and if so, can you defend the doctrine?

[biker]

Either that, or the Christ is talking to Himself.

Nope:
John 14:
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

The Father is talking, not Christ.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Nope:
John 14:
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

The Father is talking, not Christ.

And I am in Christ and Christ is in me. But we are not one and the same.

 

[biker]

And I am in Christ and Christ is in me. But we are not one and the same.

Where does it say, But we are not one and the same?

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Where does it say, But we are not one and the same?

I am in Christ and He is in me. But I am not the same person the Christ is. You’re saying John 14:10 is saying the Christ and Father are the same person, when they’re not. In Revelation 5 we see the Son taking the scroll from the Father’s hand.

 

[Absolutely]

The poll.

Yes, I am a Trinitarian, and can defend the doctrine.

Yes, I am a Trinitarian, but I cannot defend the doctrine.

No, I deny the doctrine of the Trinity.

I don’t know if the Trinity is true or false.

Which one of these four options would Jesus himself select? Why?

Since He said "....and these 3 are one,"He would be the originator of that fact.

Trinity is Just believing the bible

 

[jaybird88]

When you use the phrase "Most High" is this an indication that you are an Arian of some sort?

This is a biblical phrase, but typically those who use it, in my experience, are Arians who are claiming Jesus was a lesser god.

There is only one Most High however there are many elohim. Less confusion. It's also a Jewish idea that has to do with respecting the name, another idea I support.

 

[biker]

I am in Christ and He is in me. But I am not the same person the Christ is. You’re saying John 14:10 is saying the Christ and Father are the same person, when they’re not. In Revelation 5 we see the Son taking the scroll from the Father’s hand.

No, we see the slain symbol of the Lamb taking the scroll. Not a person.

 

[Absolutely]

No, that’s not what I meant.

The one true God in scripture is the Messiah’s God. I don’t believe scripture presents the Messiah’s God as anyone other than the Father.

Wrong concept.
The Father has exalted the Son Above himself.

Says so in hebrews. Look it up.

" but of the Son He (the father) says thy throne o God is forever and ever"

 

[jaybird88]

JW's claim the Christ is a created being.

I don't worry over what JWs think because I don't believe it's relevant. My cousin Bobo still believes in santa clause, interesting but not relevant.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

I don't worry over what JWs think because I don't believe it's relevant. My cousin Bobo still believes in santa clause, interesting but not relevant.

John 8:24.

 

[Absolutely]

That’s not what I see in John 1. The creator is the God and Father of Jesus.

Why do you reframe what is there?

What is clearly,clearly there????

Just to cling to some anti trinity mental pursuit

 

[Mattathias]

Since He said "....and these 3 are one,"He would be the originator of that fact.

Trinity is Just believing the bible

Is it your contention that Jesus’ God is the Trinity?

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

No, we see the slain symbol of the Lamb taking the scroll. Not a person.

And Revelation is full of figurative language. It was John expressing the Christ as the Lamb of God. You don’t believe that was the Christ taking the scroll from the Father, but an actual sheep that had been slain?

 

[biker]

I want to be wrong about this. It goes against my upbringing and what I was taught. But Jesus confirmed the Scribe claiming God is 1 person. Mark 12 is rather clear evidence. I trust the BIBLE over a CREED for my Salvation any day!

 

[biker]

And Revelation is full of figurative language. It was John expressing the Christ as the Lamb of God. You don’t believe that was the Christ taking the scroll from the Father, but an actual sheep that had been slain?

Symbolic wise, of course.

 

[Absolutely]

Okay...

Then just to be clear, you're being a jerk.

Could be

But outside of my jerkyness,what part of your post is correct?

 

[Absolutely]

According to Paul He is INVISIBLE!
That is always 24/7/365 100% Spirit Only!

Moses saw Him

 

[Absolutely]

The NET Bible contains a very good discussion on Genesis 1:26 in the notes section.

In your reading and understanding of scripture, who and how many persons is the Messiah’s God?

Mental pursuit via ignoring my verses.

That is not systematic theology.

The trinity is arrived at by incorporating...not through omission.

 

[jaybird88]

Paul taught Trinitarian doctrine. Peter did, too.


This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear[Acts 2:32-33]. I know this is Luke‘s writing, but here he explicitly states God in clear Trinitarian language. And the opening of 2 Peter 1 is Trinitarian language as well.

If that's what they believed then why was the doctrine not established at that time rather than 500 years later? Trinity is not part of Judaism and never has been, so if they are bringing in new teachings why did no one make this crystal clear?

 

[Mattathias]

Why do you reframe what is there?

What is clearly,clearly there????

Just to cling to some anti trinity mental pursuit

I don’t believe any writer of scripture, OT and NT, would oppose Jesus on who Jesus’ God is.