No it is not the same, Every bit of doubt we have is in fact disbeleif, we ask God for things but do we always believe we will recieve it? do we always believe the things he says of us but look inside ourselves and don't see that? even the strongest of believers have disbelief but to deny his existance entirely is not the same as disbelief because disbelief comes from doubt atheists see it as fact not whether it is true or not.
WHAT IS SOON TO COME TO PASS IN THIS WORLD - BIBLE PROPHECY
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No such things as a sign giving a gift called "sign gift" or a "gift seen". (Look I did it) Those two words are not used together in that way .You simply will not find the phrase "sign gift".
The first sign gift in that way turned out as death (the fall). Look at me and die
We walk by faith the unseen eternal not after the things the eyes see the temporal .Learn what is means to walk by faith and then the need to seek after a signs and wonderers gospel will disappear .
There are signs used a metaphors in parables that follow after one believes. Those signs are not viewable or seek-able .
Metaphors are used to express the power of the gospel in signs that follow after. Not sign we seek after as self edifying. They edify the words spoken
(My added comment)
Mark 16:16-18 King James Version (KJV) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; (the gospel) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, ( poisonous lies of false prophecy ) it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands (pray) on the sick, and they shall recover. (the gospel)
The first sign gift in that way turned out as death (the fall). Look at me and die
We walk by faith the unseen eternal not after the things the eyes see the temporal .Learn what is means to walk by faith and then the need to seek after a signs and wonderers gospel will disappear .
There are signs used a metaphors in parables that follow after one believes. Those signs are not viewable or seek-able .
Metaphors are used to express the power of the gospel in signs that follow after. Not sign we seek after as self edifying. They edify the words spoken
(My added comment)
Mark 16:16-18 King James Version (KJV) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; (the gospel) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, ( poisonous lies of false prophecy ) it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands (pray) on the sick, and they shall recover. (the gospel)
I am made aware of that wile of the devil. Doubt is not the opposite of faith. Unbelief "no faith" is.
Not receiving does not mean a person has not asked .
Atheists have no faith zero. They walk by experience or sight .No understanding of the spiritual things of God. No God in their heart makes them atheists.
Not receiving does not mean a person has not asked .
Atheists have no faith zero. They walk by experience or sight .No understanding of the spiritual things of God. No God in their heart makes them atheists.
I would hope not .I don't have that much storage room at 5' 5 1/2"
there is room for the spirit of Christ though he idewls as beliver as the treasure we have of His poerw that working in us to both will and do His good pleasure .We are the temple .Why would we honor abomination of desolation .
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we (as the temple of God) have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
What is that things you call "Jerusalem and the Temple" ? What's that supposed to represent?
In heaven there will be no temple. We are the temporal temple not made with human hands. Not as the abomination of desolation made with the hands of corruptible mankind
there is room for the spirit of Christ though he idewls as beliver as the treasure we have of His poerw that working in us to both will and do His good pleasure .We are the temple .Why would we honor abomination of desolation .
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we (as the temple of God) have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
What is that things you call "Jerusalem and the Temple" ? What's that supposed to represent?
In heaven there will be no temple. We are the temporal temple not made with human hands. Not as the abomination of desolation made with the hands of corruptible mankind
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No...He told them what it would look like in relation to other events. But He didn't give any hint as to when in history it would be. I already compared this to Paul's expectancy of the rapture. Paul believed that it would happen sometime in his lifetime, but it didn't. So from Paul's attitude, many also thought that the rapture would happen in the first century, but it didn't.
Jesus told them to flee when the Abomination was erected. When did that happen?
(above comment) That's where you put words in my mouth. That is not my view, I never said that. Please be more thorough before you assume my beliefs.
Sorry let me clarify. Most of Paul's life, he believed that the rapture would happen during his life. This is clear from his letters to Thessalonica and and Corinth. But as he got older, he felt the nearness of death and realized that the situation was not as he thought (just like how John the baptist was zealous at first about the identity of Jesus as the Messiah, then had doubts about who Jesus was when he was put in prison by Herod).
I think everyone here know that. This is a pretty bright group of Christians. I'm sure you don't think I believe that is how things work.
So you don't believe in the Harpazo?
Do you even know what the Abomination is? Its described explicitly in the Daniel and 2 Thessalonians. And I can guarantee you....it hasn't happened yet.
Jesus told them to flee when the Abomination was erected. When did that happen?
(above comment) That's where you put words in my mouth. That is not my view, I never said that. Please be more thorough before you assume my beliefs.
Sorry let me clarify. Most of Paul's life, he believed that the rapture would happen during his life. This is clear from his letters to Thessalonica and and Corinth. But as he got older, he felt the nearness of death and realized that the situation was not as he thought (just like how John the baptist was zealous at first about the identity of Jesus as the Messiah, then had doubts about who Jesus was when he was put in prison by Herod).
I think everyone here know that. This is a pretty bright group of Christians. I'm sure you don't think I believe that is how things work.
So you don't believe in the Harpazo?
Do you even know what the Abomination is? Its described explicitly in the Daniel and 2 Thessalonians. And I can guarantee you....it hasn't happened yet.
Well saying no God in their hearts makes them athiest is not really correct because I once did these very same things as an unbeliever, I had no understanding of the spiritual I believed only what I saw and experienced but I did believe in God. The difference between me and the atheists was that I actively denied him and lived according to my own lusts and desires they simply refuse to acknowledge his existence.
Think of it this way if you believe there is supernatural in this world like Ghosts and demons and love to watch ghost hunter shows and seek out the supernatural in this way yet don't bother to seek God it isn't that you don't have faith in the supernatural you just deny the only true supernatural while another person actively says people who believe in the supernatural are loony and refuse to accept the existence of anything supernatrual.
the difference between the two is that one has faith in the supernatural even if it is the wrong kind while the other has no faith in it at all, an athiest would be the one who thinks people who believe in the supernatural are loony to them it is fact while the one who seeks ghosts believes but actively denies God
Think of it this way if you believe there is supernatural in this world like Ghosts and demons and love to watch ghost hunter shows and seek out the supernatural in this way yet don't bother to seek God it isn't that you don't have faith in the supernatural you just deny the only true supernatural while another person actively says people who believe in the supernatural are loony and refuse to accept the existence of anything supernatrual.
the difference between the two is that one has faith in the supernatural even if it is the wrong kind while the other has no faith in it at all, an athiest would be the one who thinks people who believe in the supernatural are loony to them it is fact while the one who seeks ghosts believes but actively denies God
I believe the Abomination of Desolation spoken by the prophet Daniel has already occurred - but in two phases. I'll try to summarize in less than 1000 characters (lol sorry for the length). In Chapter 12, Daniel was given several details about the "time of trouble" including when the AOD would be setup.
Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt
Key Points:
1. There would be an unmatched TIME of trouble (it doesn't say a singular event, but a timeframe)
2. Specifically, DANIEL'S PEOPLE would go through this time of trouble (it doesn't say the whole world)
3. But Daniel's people will be delivered from it, followed by the resurrection
There are several passages that confirm this "time of trouble" is for Daniel's people, so we can use those passages to confirm and sync up this timeframe with more details:
Jeremiah 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it
So Jeremiah is mentioning the same exact key points:
1. "Unmatched" TIME of trouble (doesn't say a single event)
2. This trouble is for "Jacob" (not the world)
3. But Jacob will be saved from it
Next, we read the Messiah's prophetic warning...
Luke 21:21-24
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Key Points:
1. There would be DAYS of vengeance/wrath (doesn't say a single event)
2. This vengeance/wrath is for THIS PEOPLE (doesn't say the whole world)
3. This vengeance/wrath was WRITTEN ABOUT in their scriptures (so-called "OT"; two instances are mentioned above)
4. This vengeance/wrath includes:
- Death/killings/murders of the Jews
- Slavery and scattering of the Jews into all nations
- The Holy Land is claimed by gentiles and will be in distress during "the time of the gentiles"
- and this is how things will stay until the "time of the gentiles" is fulfilled
Questions to consider:
1. Are there troubling TIMES recorded throughout history, since 70AD, of the Jews being killed/murdered?
Yes.
2. Are the children of Israel STILL SCATTERED from their homeland as of 2020?
Yes.
3. What is the "time of the gentiles", and is it still active?
Romans 11:11-13, 25
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles come in.
The "time of the gentiles" = salvation/Messiah and riches going to the nations of the world while the Jews enter into THEIR TIME of tribulation. Remember that they rejected the King of Kings so this was/is their punishment. I believe the "Time of the Gentiles" IS the so-called "Church Age"... and has been ongoing for nearly 2000 years.
The punishment will not end UNTIL the gentiles have had their time to receive the Messiah. May the Messiah's words be true.
For further confirmation of the "time of the gentiles", remember that the Messiah stayed with the samaritans for "2 days" before returning to the Jews. Gentile believers are the "sheep" the Messiah said he had that are "not of this fold".
The Messiah said the beginning of this TIME of great tribulation for the Jews (not the world) would be marked by the destruction of their temple and utter desolation of their homeland, which happened in 70AD.
This is one phase.
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Now another way I feel this is confirmed is by going back to Daniel 12 and understanding the timeframes given by (who I believe was) the Messiah.
Daniel 12:6-7
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Key Points:
1. Linen garments are High Priest garments
2. He raises his hands and swears to heaven (just like the angel in Revelation 10 before mentioning the SAME timeframe in Rev 11)
3. The goal of this "trouble" is to SCATTER THE HOLY PEOPLE (matching what is said in Luke 21:24; "...into all nations")
And history proves it didn't just take 3.5 years to scatter the Jews to the nations of the world but actually took hundreds of years. So "time, times, and a half" must mean a span of 1,260 years...but when did this event begin?
Daniel 12:11-12
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Daniel was given this timeframe. So from the time the "daily" is taken away until the AOD is setup will be 1,290 years. From my research, the "daily" was the fire of the altar that was commanded to continually burn and I think this is how Daniel would've understood it too. This was taken away when Babylon invaded the Kingdom of Judah, raided Solomon's temple, and took Daniel away, which happened around 606-603 BC.
606/603 BC + 1290 years ( + 1 for no "zero" year) = 685/688 AD
685/688AD were the dates the "Dome of the Rock" began construction in the Holy Land and finished around 691/692 AD
685/688AD + 1260 years of "trouble" = 1945/1948 AD (significant dates in human history, if I do say so)
This is another phase.
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Untold horrors have happened to "Jacob" between 70 AD and 1948 AD...and as of 2020, they're STILL scattered to the four corners of the world, still "fallen", and Jerusalem is still in distress just like the Messiah said would happen. Additionally, most believers are currently waiting for the resurrection, and in the resurrection, the Messiah gathers his people from being scattered to the four corners. Meanwhile, Daniel is told that the resurrection occurs AFTER their time of trouble.
These are the reasons why I believe the AOD has already occurred.
Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt
Key Points:
1. There would be an unmatched TIME of trouble (it doesn't say a singular event, but a timeframe)
2. Specifically, DANIEL'S PEOPLE would go through this time of trouble (it doesn't say the whole world)
3. But Daniel's people will be delivered from it, followed by the resurrection
There are several passages that confirm this "time of trouble" is for Daniel's people, so we can use those passages to confirm and sync up this timeframe with more details:
Jeremiah 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it
So Jeremiah is mentioning the same exact key points:
1. "Unmatched" TIME of trouble (doesn't say a single event)
2. This trouble is for "Jacob" (not the world)
3. But Jacob will be saved from it
Next, we read the Messiah's prophetic warning...
Luke 21:21-24
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Key Points:
1. There would be DAYS of vengeance/wrath (doesn't say a single event)
2. This vengeance/wrath is for THIS PEOPLE (doesn't say the whole world)
3. This vengeance/wrath was WRITTEN ABOUT in their scriptures (so-called "OT"; two instances are mentioned above)
4. This vengeance/wrath includes:
- Death/killings/murders of the Jews
- Slavery and scattering of the Jews into all nations
- The Holy Land is claimed by gentiles and will be in distress during "the time of the gentiles"
- and this is how things will stay until the "time of the gentiles" is fulfilled
Questions to consider:
1. Are there troubling TIMES recorded throughout history, since 70AD, of the Jews being killed/murdered?
Yes.
2. Are the children of Israel STILL SCATTERED from their homeland as of 2020?
Yes.
3. What is the "time of the gentiles", and is it still active?
Romans 11:11-13, 25
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles come in.
The "time of the gentiles" = salvation/Messiah and riches going to the nations of the world while the Jews enter into THEIR TIME of tribulation. Remember that they rejected the King of Kings so this was/is their punishment. I believe the "Time of the Gentiles" IS the so-called "Church Age"... and has been ongoing for nearly 2000 years.
The punishment will not end UNTIL the gentiles have had their time to receive the Messiah. May the Messiah's words be true.
For further confirmation of the "time of the gentiles", remember that the Messiah stayed with the samaritans for "2 days" before returning to the Jews. Gentile believers are the "sheep" the Messiah said he had that are "not of this fold".
The Messiah said the beginning of this TIME of great tribulation for the Jews (not the world) would be marked by the destruction of their temple and utter desolation of their homeland, which happened in 70AD.
This is one phase.
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Now another way I feel this is confirmed is by going back to Daniel 12 and understanding the timeframes given by (who I believe was) the Messiah.
Daniel 12:6-7
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Key Points:
1. Linen garments are High Priest garments
2. He raises his hands and swears to heaven (just like the angel in Revelation 10 before mentioning the SAME timeframe in Rev 11)
3. The goal of this "trouble" is to SCATTER THE HOLY PEOPLE (matching what is said in Luke 21:24; "...into all nations")
And history proves it didn't just take 3.5 years to scatter the Jews to the nations of the world but actually took hundreds of years. So "time, times, and a half" must mean a span of 1,260 years...but when did this event begin?
Daniel 12:11-12
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Daniel was given this timeframe. So from the time the "daily" is taken away until the AOD is setup will be 1,290 years. From my research, the "daily" was the fire of the altar that was commanded to continually burn and I think this is how Daniel would've understood it too. This was taken away when Babylon invaded the Kingdom of Judah, raided Solomon's temple, and took Daniel away, which happened around 606-603 BC.
606/603 BC + 1290 years ( + 1 for no "zero" year) = 685/688 AD
685/688AD were the dates the "Dome of the Rock" began construction in the Holy Land and finished around 691/692 AD
685/688AD + 1260 years of "trouble" = 1945/1948 AD (significant dates in human history, if I do say so)
This is another phase.
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Untold horrors have happened to "Jacob" between 70 AD and 1948 AD...and as of 2020, they're STILL scattered to the four corners of the world, still "fallen", and Jerusalem is still in distress just like the Messiah said would happen. Additionally, most believers are currently waiting for the resurrection, and in the resurrection, the Messiah gathers his people from being scattered to the four corners. Meanwhile, Daniel is told that the resurrection occurs AFTER their time of trouble.
These are the reasons why I believe the AOD has already occurred.
Daniel 12:7 says the purpose of the GT (i.e. time of Jacob's trouble) is to scatter them and then it'll be fulfilled. So you believe Israel will be regathered - which only happens by the hand of the Messiah - and then scattered again during a future great tribulation? Even those currently in the land acknowledge that at least 10 tribes are still lost to the nations.
I think you need to review your Scriptures. The prophesied regathering of the ethnic nation Israel occurs after the Second Coming. Furthermore the lost 10 tribes so-called is a myth, and is easily disproven by a few hours of Bible study. The unassailable fact that Israel is once again in the land at this point in history is a sort of pre-gathering, which itself is necessary to fulfill prophecy. Israel needs to be in the land, and the Temple needs to be rebuilt before the GT can happen.
Truly Israel needed to be in the land and their temple needed to be standing before the GT could happen.
Prophecy shows the "mountains of Esau" are currently in the land right now, not the "mountains of Israel". I already posted this in another thread weeks ago but I'll repost it here for your review.
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The book of Ezekiel was written while in Babylonian captivity. We're told everything that must happen - IN ORDER - starting when Israel returned to the land during the SECOND TEMPLE PERIOD and during the Roman occupation. Notice what it says. Even Orthodox Rabbis who protest the current state of Israel note these chapters as the reason.
1. Ezekiel 33:28-29 - Jews will start sinning again once in the land
(fulfilled)
2. Ezekiel 34 - Corrupt shepherds will mislead the flock; The Almighty will search out his sheep and make a covenant with them
(fulfilled: Messiah called out the corrupt shepherds and said He's looking for His "lost sheep")
3. Ezekiel 35:5-15 - Jerusalem will be destroyed and Edom will claim the land as theirs during Israel's "calamity", but Edom would live through constant war; never at peace there
(fulfilled: 70AD destruction; the "calamity" is the "GT" and "Jacob's trouble" mentioned in scripture; the land is currently in constant war right now)
4. Ezekiel 36:1-7 - The Almighty will be angry at Edom for claiming the land as their property, and angry at every nation of the world for scattering his people
(fulfilled: This is Daniel 12:7 and Luke 21:24, Israel being scattered into the nations)
5. Ezekiel 36:8-15 - The nations will mock & mistreat the Almighty's people in those lands until He gathers them from the four corners
(fulfilled)
6. Ezekiel 36:24-27 - Almighty will gather his people out all lands and then confirm the new covenant with them. They'll remain scattered until He does this
(not fulfilled yet)
7. Ezekiel 37 - Valley of dry bones. This is clearly a chapter describing the resurrection of the dead at the time of gathering.
(not fulfilled yet)
8. Ezekiel 38-39 - Israel will live in peace in their land without any protective walls or barriers until Gog & Magog thinks to invade. But the Almighty will destroy them himself in his fiery fury.
(definitely not fulfilled yet: new walls & partitions are built daily and there is no peace in the land.)
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So based on the order of prophecy the Almighty gave through Ezekiel who's in possession of the land right now?
Prophecy shows the "mountains of Esau" are currently in the land right now, not the "mountains of Israel". I already posted this in another thread weeks ago but I'll repost it here for your review.
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The book of Ezekiel was written while in Babylonian captivity. We're told everything that must happen - IN ORDER - starting when Israel returned to the land during the SECOND TEMPLE PERIOD and during the Roman occupation. Notice what it says. Even Orthodox Rabbis who protest the current state of Israel note these chapters as the reason.
1. Ezekiel 33:28-29 - Jews will start sinning again once in the land
(fulfilled)
2. Ezekiel 34 - Corrupt shepherds will mislead the flock; The Almighty will search out his sheep and make a covenant with them
(fulfilled: Messiah called out the corrupt shepherds and said He's looking for His "lost sheep")
3. Ezekiel 35:5-15 - Jerusalem will be destroyed and Edom will claim the land as theirs during Israel's "calamity", but Edom would live through constant war; never at peace there
(fulfilled: 70AD destruction; the "calamity" is the "GT" and "Jacob's trouble" mentioned in scripture; the land is currently in constant war right now)
4. Ezekiel 36:1-7 - The Almighty will be angry at Edom for claiming the land as their property, and angry at every nation of the world for scattering his people
(fulfilled: This is Daniel 12:7 and Luke 21:24, Israel being scattered into the nations)
5. Ezekiel 36:8-15 - The nations will mock & mistreat the Almighty's people in those lands until He gathers them from the four corners
(fulfilled)
6. Ezekiel 36:24-27 - Almighty will gather his people out all lands and then confirm the new covenant with them. They'll remain scattered until He does this
(not fulfilled yet)
7. Ezekiel 37 - Valley of dry bones. This is clearly a chapter describing the resurrection of the dead at the time of gathering.
(not fulfilled yet)
8. Ezekiel 38-39 - Israel will live in peace in their land without any protective walls or barriers until Gog & Magog thinks to invade. But the Almighty will destroy them himself in his fiery fury.
(definitely not fulfilled yet: new walls & partitions are built daily and there is no peace in the land.)
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So based on the order of prophecy the Almighty gave through Ezekiel who's in possession of the land right now?
The future is now my friend. Israel is in the land, and right on schedule I might add.
http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html
http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html
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There are no lost 10 tribes my friend. There are plenty of other Scriptures but you can find them for yourself here are a couple.
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=NKJV&quicksearch=twelve+tribes&begin=51&end=51
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=NKJV&quicksearch=twelve+tribes&begin=66&end=66
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=NKJV&quicksearch=twelve+tribes&begin=51&end=51
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=NKJV&quicksearch=twelve+tribes&begin=66&end=66
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Well, will we believe man's word or believe the Word of the Almighty through his prophets?
The Almighty's word through Ezekiel lists the order of events. When Israel returns to the land there's supposed to be peace there and unwalled towns (because the Almighty is the hedge of fire around them to protect them since He's arrived). There's not supposed to be constant war. These folks have been warring since they got there and settlers walk around with machine guns. Tanks roll through the streets. Partitions are being built daily.
*Blessings* friend.
My point was that those who are currently in the land claiming to be Israel are saying that; saying they aren't *all* 12 tribes, but are only Judah and kohanim (priests/levites).
Can't have Israel in the land without all 12 tribes, especially without Ephraim (the House of the Northern kingdom) because only he was given the right to the name "Israel" by Jacob. That's why when the two Houses split the north became known as Israel and the South as Judah.
Those in the land who call themselves Jews acknowledge the northern tribes aren't there. So even by biblical law they still aren't "Israel".
I can find no pre-gathering detailed in scripture after the scattering that was to happen upon the 2nd temple's destruction, so can you point me to the passage(s) that detail it so I can check them out?
The Almighty's word through Ezekiel lists the order of events. When Israel returns to the land there's supposed to be peace there and unwalled towns (because the Almighty is the hedge of fire around them to protect them since He's arrived). There's not supposed to be constant war. These folks have been warring since they got there and settlers walk around with machine guns. Tanks roll through the streets. Partitions are being built daily.
*Blessings* friend.
My point was that those who are currently in the land claiming to be Israel are saying that; saying they aren't *all* 12 tribes, but are only Judah and kohanim (priests/levites).
Can't have Israel in the land without all 12 tribes, especially without Ephraim (the House of the Northern kingdom) because only he was given the right to the name "Israel" by Jacob. That's why when the two Houses split the north became known as Israel and the South as Judah.
Those in the land who call themselves Jews acknowledge the northern tribes aren't there. So even by biblical law they still aren't "Israel".
I can find no pre-gathering detailed in scripture after the scattering that was to happen upon the 2nd temple's destruction, so can you point me to the passage(s) that detail it so I can check them out?