WHAT IS SOON TO COME TO PASS IN THIS WORLD - BIBLE PROPHECY

[Diakonos]

He also says to flee Jerusalem. I guess that one you already got covered since you don’t live there anyway.

The Church didn't even exist yet when Jesus was saying this (His Church was birthed in Acts 2), so His only audience in Matt 24 could be the Jews who would be living in Jerusalem, because He specifically said "pray that your flight will not be in the winter or on a Sabbath day"....meaning His audience are observers of the Law. If you think He is speaking to us in that verse, then you have to admit that you are an observer of the Law.

Anyone can know the parable, but not everyone will be in Jerusalem when the Abomination of Desolation is set up in the temple (to whom Jesus commands to flee when the time comes).

 

[garee]

This is good. I'm curious whether you believe the Bema Seat judgment will be before or after the wedding of the lamb

If you are speaking of the "judgement seat of Christ". It has been fulfilled shown by a demonstration. .

If a person is not walking faith but by sight they as a evil generation are looking to fulfil a signs and wonder gospel

Can't judge dead mankind spiritless bones .Unless a person is of the Catholics tradition. Pope Formosa was dug up and pronounced guilty bone then passed around the circuit as a veneration tool self edifying (look at us)

John 19:12-14 King James Version (KJV)And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar. When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

 

[garee]

How many prophecies can you think of that were fulfilled as written? Would you have known Elijah was John the Baptist? Possibly, you still don't know the Kingdom is spiritual and you still wait for the Pharisee's millennial kingdom? How many know Jesus is the Temple of God and not the Pharisee's temple most look for today?

How many prophecies can you think of that were fulfilled as written? Would you have known Elijah was John the Baptist? Possibly, you still don't know the Kingdom is spiritual and you still wait for the Pharisee's millennial kingdom? How many know Jesus is the Temple of God and not the Pharisee's temple most look for today?

Perhaps explaining what you mean by a spiritual Kingdom represents with a little more detail . I know you have.

Sometime sharing how to divide what a person hears or say in different ways can aid.

 

[Dave-L]

Perhaps explaining what you mean by a spiritual Kingdom represents with a little more detail . I know you have.

Sometime sharing how to divide what a person hears or say in different ways can aid.

Read Jesu's description of the Kingdom in the gospels. If you believe him, you will junk any physical kingdom ideas.

 

[DorothyMae]

The Church didn't even exist yet when Jesus was saying this (His Church was birthed in Acts 2), so His only audience in Matt 24 could be the Jews who would be living in Jerusalem, because He specifically said "pray that your flight will not be in the winter or on a Sabbath day"....meaning His audience are observers of the Law.

The whole of Jesus’ teaching was before the church??? So are you saying all that Jesus taught was only for the Jews???

If you think He is speaking to us in that verse, then you have to admit that you are an observer of the Law.

Not at all. I think Jesus was talking to the church. It’s your view that his teaching was only for the first century Jews. Bummer.

Anyone can know the parable, but not everyone will be in Jerusalem when the Abomination of Desolation is set up in the temple (to whom Jesus commands to flee when the time comes).

It means then nothing in your view. I actually know for a fact that the christians in Jerusalem heeded that warning and left. They all survived. So the church KNEW it was for them, not the Jews who heard Jesus.

 

[garee]

Read Jesu's description of the Kingdom in the gospels. If you believe him, you will junk any physical kingdom ideas.

Beleive Jesus's description? or the description of the Pharisees with Sadducees a law of the fathers..?

I am aware of them and they do make the ideas of a physical kingdom to value . Jesus said his flesh profits for zero

The kingdoms of God was first made visible through Abel. The first prophet, apostle and martyr. By a work of Christ's faith working in Abel he delivered the news to faithless Cain

What's the difference if any in that area?

 

[garee]

The whole of Jesus’ teaching was before the church??? So are you saying all that Jesus taught was only for the Jews???
Not at all. I think Jesus was talking to the church. It’s your view that his teaching was only for the first century Jews. Bummer.
It means then nothing in your view. I actually know for a fact that the Christians in Jerusalem heeded that warning and left. They all survived. So the church KNEW it was for them, not the Jews who heard Jesus.

Which first century Jews. The atheists' Jews?

No I do not reckon Jews or gentile after the outward flesh of corrupted mankind but rather after the unseen purifying work of the Spirit of Christ .An inward Jew.

In 2 Corinthians as new creatures we are commanded to know no man after the flesh even the Son of man Jesus. God is not a man.

The church represents mankind all nations . Her name is Christian to represent all the nations. Previously the Father named her Israel. That is when she was reckoned by one nation. She today as Christian is used to represent the whole of mankind. Nether male or female, Jew nor Gentile.

 

[Dino246]

Which first century Jews. The atheists' Jews?

Jews aren't atheists. I've explained that to you before.

 

[Blain]

He also says to flee Jerusalem. I guess that one you already got covered since you don’t live there anyway.

When he says this he isn't saying to actually flee there but that scripture on it's own is taken out of context you have to take the entire picture not a piece of it

 

[Diakonos]

The whole of Jesus’ teaching was before the church??? So are you saying all that Jesus taught was only for the Jews???

No. The comment about the Church not yet existing was more of a peripheral and supportive detail. The real reason we know Jesus couldn't be talking to the global church is because He is warning a group of people to flee from Jerusalem. He then says to pray that it will not happen on a Sabbath (which wouldn't be meaningful to a gentile group, whether its a member of His Church or not). These words I have highlighted in bold are the reasons we can know the target audience of Jesus.
1. He is saying that people should flee from Jerusalem (when the Abomination is erected in the temple).
2. He is talking an audience of Sabbath Observers

I think Jesus was talking to the church

I have a lot of thought too, but I keep them to myself when they can't be substantiated Biblical.

It’s your view that his teaching was only for the first century Jews.

1. That's not my view. You're putting words in my mouth.
2. My view, your view, who cares? Is it Biblical?...that's what matters.

I actually know for a fact that the christians in Jerusalem heeded that warning and left. They all survived. So the church KNEW it was for them, not the Jews who heard Jesus.

They heeded what He said because He didn't tell them when this will happen.
In the same way, Paul believed in the eminence of the rapture, and heeded the Word concerning it.
In Paul's case and in the case of the heeding Jews (Matt 24), they're belief in the timing of these prophesied events are not what determines their timing.
Further, we know that the events Jesus prophesied in Matthew 24 about The Abomination of Desolation (what the people were told to flee from) hasn't happened yet.

Show me when and where in history where that Abomination and erected and I will change my view.

 

[Dino246]

When he says this he isn't saying to actually flee there but that scripture on it's own is taken out of context you have to take the entire picture not a piece of it

Respectfully, you need to do more reading in history.

The Christians who lived in Jerusalem around 70 AD saw the signs that Jesus foretold, fled the city, and were spared the complete destruction that befell it at the hands of both the Roman army and factions of Jews. Tradition has it that although hundreds of thousands of Jews perished, no Christians were among them.

 

[Blain]

Respectfully, you need to do more reading in history.

The Christians who lived in Jerusalem around 70 AD saw the signs that Jesus foretold, fled the city, and were spared the complete destruction that befell it at the hands of both the Roman army and factions of Jews. Tradition has it that although hundreds of thousands of Jews perished, no Christians were among them.

Oh ok I thought Dorothy was talking about the future tense not the historical one, but yeah it is amazing how that happened isn't it? God truly does protect his own

 

[preacher4truth]

Respectfully, you need to do more reading in history.

The Christians who lived in Jerusalem around 70 AD saw the signs that Jesus foretold, fled the city, and were spared the complete destruction that befell it at the hands of both the Roman army and factions of Jews. Tradition has it that although hundreds of thousands of Jews perished, no Christians were among them.

Someone mentioned that Jesus said they should pray they don't make their flight in the winter, Matthew 24:20 and that when they see these things, they should flee. The point was that if stars were literally hitting the earth, or literally falling from the sky, there would be nowhere to flee to. Makes perfect sense to me, but some cannot let their tradition go, or their Left Behind investment.

 

[cv5]

Respectfully, you need to do more reading in history.

The Christians who lived in Jerusalem around 70 AD saw the signs that Jesus foretold, fled the city, and were spared the complete destruction that befell it at the hands of both the Roman army and factions of Jews. Tradition has it that although hundreds of thousands of Jews perished, no Christians were among them.

Correct. However this is not the fulfillment of Daniel chapter 9.
Furthur, the precise timing of that particular warning was unknown, however astute observers heeded the warnings and fled, because they saw the signs that Jesus elucidated.

 

[DorothyMae]

No. The comment about the Church not yet existing was more of a peripheral and supportive detail. The real reason we know Jesus couldn't be talking to the global church is because He is warning a group of people to flee from Jerusalem. He then says to pray that it will not happen on a Sabbath (which wouldn't be meaningful to a gentile group, whether its a member of His Church or not). These words I have highlighted in bold are the reasons we can know the target audience of Jesus.
1. He is saying that people should flee from Jerusalem (when the Abomination is erected in the temple).
2. He is talking an audience of Sabbath Observers

Most of the church were Jews and there were laws about that day of the week in Jerusalem. He was not talking to the Jews alone which makes no sense and does not support your position at all. ANd it is a fact that the Christians, Jewish and not, all left Jerusalem when the events Jesus predicted happened. They did not believe your position and it was a very good thing.

I have a lot of thought too, but I keep them to myself when they can't be substantiated Biblical.


1. That's not my view. You're putting words in my mouth.
2. My view, your view, who cares? Is it Biblical?...that's what matters.

If you do not want to articulate matters, then we cannot discuss them. I do not see that I put words into your mouth but I am allowed to take what you say and test it.

They heeded what He said because He didn't tell them when this will happen.

Yes he did. Read the Bible. He said when you see the armies surrounding Jerusalem, flee. That is very specific as to when to flee. They did.

In the same way, Paul believed in the eminence of the rapture, and heeded the Word concerning it.

No he did not. He even wrote that he was about to die, not that Jesus was about to come and rescue him from death. He did not believe Jesus was coming in the flesh soon at all. He believed the end of his life was coming, not the rapture. No one believed in the rapture until the theology was invented.

In Paul's case and in the case of the heeding Jews (Matt 24), they're belief in the timing of these prophesied events are not what determines their timing.

Their understanding the timing lead to their correct obedience which saved their lives. By the way, you believing int he rapture does not determine that it will happen.

Further, we know that the events Jesus prophesied in Matthew 24 about The Abomination of Desolation (what the people were told to flee from) hasn't happened yet.

Show me when and where in history where that Abomination and erected and I will change my view.

Why can't I show you where the Christians living in Jerusalem saw the fulfillment and left town which proved to be the correct thing to do? That prophesy was to them so they would know when to leave. It is not to us. We do not need to know about the two witnesses or what happens in the temple because for one, there is no temple and for two, the majority of believers do not live in Jerusalem so that information is useless today. They needed to know the signs to get out of town at the right time. (Later that was impossible.)

 

[cv5]

Most of the church were Jews and there were laws about that day of the week in Jerusalem. He was not talking to the Jews alone which makes no sense and does not support your position at all. ANd it is a fact that the Christians, Jewish and not, all left Jerusalem when the events Jesus predicted happened. They did not believe your position and it was a very good thing.

If you do not want to articulate matters, then we cannot discuss them. I do not see that I put words into your mouth but I am allowed to take what you say and test it.

Yes he did. Read the Bible. He said when you see the armies surrounding Jerusalem, flee. That is very specific as to when to flee. They did.
No he did not. He even wrote that he was about to die, not that Jesus was about to come and rescue him from death. He did not believe Jesus was coming in the flesh soon at all. He believed the end of his life was coming, not the rapture. No one believed in the rapture until the theology was invented. Their understanding the timing lead to their correct obedience which saved their lives. By the way, you believing int he rapture does not determine that it will happen.Why can't I show you where the Christians living in Jerusalem saw the fulfillment and left town which proved to be the correct thing to do? That prophesy was to them so they would know when to leave. It is not to us. We do not need to know about the two witnesses or what happens in the temple because for one, there is no temple and for two, the majority of believers do not live in Jerusalem so that information is useless today. They needed to know the signs to get out of town at the right time. (Later that was impossible.)

There is a lot of confusion regarding harmonizing Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13.
There are certain key phrases that are remarkably different, and understanding them makes everything perfectly clear.
Trust me when I tell you this video is going to help everyone immensely!

 

[DorothyMae]

There is a lot of confusion regarding harmonizing Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13.
There are certain key phrases that are remarkably different, and understanding them makes everything perfectly clear.
Trust me when I tell you this video is going to help everyone immensely!

Since I cannot talk with the author, it is not in the interest of discussion to hear someone else post what you believe. Can you explain your position yourself? I can explain mine. And I am not in confusion, by the way, on the matter.

 

[DorothyMae]

Someone mentioned that Jesus said they should pray they don't make their flight in the winter, Matthew 24:20 and that when they see these things, they should flee. The point was that if stars were literally hitting the earth, or literally falling from the sky, there would be nowhere to flee to. Makes perfect sense to me, but some cannot let their tradition go, or their Left Behind investment.

IF the words of Jesus were meant for our generation in a worldwide event, there is no place to go and fleeing Jerusalem makes no sense at all. If the whole world is about to suffer, there is no where to flee to. Reading of the fulfillment of these events in 70 AD is thrilling same as reading the prophesies of Jesus being fulfilled is thrilling.

 

[cv5]

Since I cannot talk with the author, it is not in the interest of discussion to hear someone else post what you believe. Can you explain your position yourself? I can explain mine. And I am not in confusion, by the way, on the matter.

I beg to differ madame. You are way out of the loop on this one. Do yourself a favor and watch that video. And there is no need for you to do the talking you need to do the listening. Five minutes and 45 seconds later and trust me you're going to wake from your slumber. Just do it and thank me later.

 

[DorothyMae]

When he says this he isn't saying to actually flee there but that scripture on it's own is taken out of context you have to take the entire picture not a piece of it

OK, Ill bite. What is the context that makes it not fleeing Jerusalem? Just so you know, the Christians living in Jerusalem actually did think it meant them and fleed when they saw the signs Jesus spoke of. It saved their lives so the generation Jesus was speaking to believed it was for them and literally fled Jerusalem. Jesus is sometimes pretty practical. When you see this, get out of Dodge right away as its destruction is near.