"It is finished"
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REVELATION 21:6: ALMOST ALL TRANSLATIONS SAY "IT IS DONE"
King James Bible
And he said unto me, It is done*. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
*Strong's Concordance (1096)
ginomai: to come into being, to happen, to become
Original Word: γίνομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: ginomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ghin'-om-ahee)
Definition: to come into being, to happen, to become
Usage: I come into being, am born, become, come about, happen.
M. Vincent, "1096 (gínomai) means to come into being/manifestation implying motion, movement, or growth" (at 2 Pet 1:4). Thus it is used for God's actions as emerging from eternity and becoming (showing themselves) in time (physical space).
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JOHN 19:30: IT IS FINISHED = THE FINISHED REDEMPTIVE WORK OF CHRIST
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished*!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
*Strong's Concordance (5055)
teleó: to bring to an end, complete, fulfill
Original Word: τελέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: teleó
Phonetic Spelling: (tel-eh'-o)
Definition: to bring to an end, complete, fulfill
Usage: (a) I end, finish, (b) I fulfill, accomplish, (c) I pay.
As you can see, two different Greek words were used with two different meanings.
King James Bible
And he said unto me, It is done*. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
*Strong's Concordance (1096)
ginomai: to come into being, to happen, to become
Original Word: γίνομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: ginomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ghin'-om-ahee)
Definition: to come into being, to happen, to become
Usage: I come into being, am born, become, come about, happen.
M. Vincent, "1096 (gínomai) means to come into being/manifestation implying motion, movement, or growth" (at 2 Pet 1:4). Thus it is used for God's actions as emerging from eternity and becoming (showing themselves) in time (physical space).
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JOHN 19:30: IT IS FINISHED = THE FINISHED REDEMPTIVE WORK OF CHRIST
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished*!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
*Strong's Concordance (5055)
teleó: to bring to an end, complete, fulfill
Original Word: τελέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: teleó
Phonetic Spelling: (tel-eh'-o)
Definition: to bring to an end, complete, fulfill
Usage: (a) I end, finish, (b) I fulfill, accomplish, (c) I pay.
As you can see, two different Greek words were used with two different meanings.
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that is a nice feely touch opinion, and I respect it. But if you have no direct experience, would your experience change what the word of God says that would speak against Jesus losing anything in context to the Cross?
Jesus won! and has complete Victory:
John 16:33 he overcame the world
John 17:4 Jesus brought Glory to the Father
Matthew 5:17 HE fulfilled the LAW = completed it " It is finished".
Gen 3:15 Jesus fulfilled prophecy
Victory over death, hell, and the grave,
Jesus settled atonement once and for all. no more bulls and ox and sheep needed.
all of this and YET we are MORE than a conquer. I ask you When Jesus said
"NO one take my life " I lay it down freely and have the POWER to take it back again". John 10:18
Saying this before the cross and HIS Passion. Show me where Jesus suffered loss on the Cross?
Jesus won! and has complete Victory:
John 16:33 he overcame the world
John 17:4 Jesus brought Glory to the Father
Matthew 5:17 HE fulfilled the LAW = completed it " It is finished".
Gen 3:15 Jesus fulfilled prophecy
Victory over death, hell, and the grave,
Jesus settled atonement once and for all. no more bulls and ox and sheep needed.
all of this and YET we are MORE than a conquer. I ask you When Jesus said
"NO one take my life " I lay it down freely and have the POWER to take it back again". John 10:18
Saying this before the cross and HIS Passion. Show me where Jesus suffered loss on the Cross?
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I disagree if you remember before Jesus said " It is Finished" HE quoted Psalms 22:1 You can't get motor theological than that
PS 22 is the Prophetic Psalm of the passion of Christ . When Jesus said this most Jews would have known PS 22 because in reading them the first verse is what is read by one and all rest they recite together. the remaining part od the Psalm. When Jesus said
my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me there was no verses. read it.
PS 22 is the Prophetic Psalm of the passion of Christ . When Jesus said this most Jews would have known PS 22 because in reading them the first verse is what is read by one and all rest they recite together. the remaining part od the Psalm. When Jesus said
my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me there was no verses. read it.
I have to reconsider CS1, because you edited my statement “Jesus didn’t die so that he...” to “Jesus didn’t die,” which you know I didn’t say. Then you added a “really” as a kicker. If you are willing and without conscience edit my sentences so that (please don’t delete the so that again) you can accuse me of saying something so obviously wrong as “Jesus didn’t die” then what will you do to more difficult new thoughts I present?
But I learned something in our exchange and for that I thank you. An insight into the ways of God with men became clear to me.
I realize I take a risk by disagreeing with a mod. Perhaps you’ll overlook the offense.
But I learned something in our exchange and for that I thank you. An insight into the ways of God with men became clear to me.
I realize I take a risk by disagreeing with a mod. Perhaps you’ll overlook the offense.
FYI there is not risk with disagreeing with I can be wrong, which many in here will not even say. 
to If you look at my post you should see above your full comment even if I misunderstood you could have clarified. And gave me the benefit of the doubt but it is ok.
You have not answered my questions but actually deferred from them. What does that make you? I have not deleted anything ever in here so please do not suggest I have.
Thank you
to If you look at my post you should see above your full comment even if I misunderstood you could have clarified. And gave me the benefit of the doubt but it is ok.You have not answered my questions but actually deferred from them. What does that make you? I have not deleted anything ever in here so please do not suggest I have.
Thank you
FYI there is not risk with disagreeing with I can be wrong, which many in here will not even say. to If you look at my post you should see above your full comment even if I misunderstood you could have clarified. And gave me the benefit of the doubt but it is ok.
to If you look at my post you should see above your full comment even if I misunderstood you could have clarified. And gave me the benefit of the doubt but it is ok.
You deleted “so that” and mocked a thought I never expressed previously or do you deny it?
I am careful when I have something precious to share. But I’ve given it some thought. I can tell you what all Christians know but probably never consider. When Jesus gave up his life on the cross he lost the chance to live a rich and full life as a man with a wife and children and all the blessings many of us know.
The word of God doesn’t speak a great deal about the suffering of Christ. Doesn’t mean He didn’t suffer. To talk about his sufferings is not changing the Word of God.
The experience element was considering how to communicate something that is outside your experience. Mine too but I do see his loss whereas you don’t. A common reference point makes communication easier.
Those verses talk about our gain. Have you never considered the price he paid?
I mentioned the obvious one. He died. All that his life was, he laid down and lost.
The experience element was considering how to communicate something that is outside your experience. Mine too but I do see his loss whereas you don’t. A common reference point makes communication easier.
Those verses talk about our gain. Have you never considered the price he paid?
I mentioned the obvious one. He died. All that his life was, he laid down and lost.
Ok as I said you could have given me the benefit of the doubt Yes I did say I could be wrong. And yes I will apologize.
I do not want to misunderstand you so please read your posting below
"I can tell you what all Christians know but probably never consider. "
from the first part of this, am I to see it as you saying, You can tell Me what all Christians know, or are you forgetting to place " 't " for it to be Can't know? please clarify.
NOW, your understand below which I have a post you said that :
"Jesus gave up his life on the cross he lost the chance to live a rich and full life as a man with a wife and children and all the blessings many of us know."
That is a worldly humanistic application of what Jesus supposedly gave up on the Cross. I will tell you what we do know Jesus gave up Taking on the likeness of sinful man. The Body HE left Heaven to become. That Body is now glorified and is eternal as the Everlasting Testament The Lord Jesus Christ defeated death, hell, and the Grave.
Jesus has a Bride, us. Jesus has Children us, Jesus has prepared a place for HIS Bride to be with HIM forever.
I do not want to misunderstand you so please read your posting below
"I can tell you what all Christians know but probably never consider. "
from the first part of this, am I to see it as you saying, You can tell Me what all Christians know, or are you forgetting to place " 't " for it to be Can't know? please clarify.
NOW, your understand below which I have a post you said that :
"Jesus gave up his life on the cross he lost the chance to live a rich and full life as a man with a wife and children and all the blessings many of us know."
That is a worldly humanistic application of what Jesus supposedly gave up on the Cross. I will tell you what we do know Jesus gave up Taking on the likeness of sinful man. The Body HE left Heaven to become. That Body is now glorified and is eternal as the Everlasting Testament The Lord Jesus Christ defeated death, hell, and the Grave.
Jesus has a Bride, us. Jesus has Children us, Jesus has prepared a place for HIS Bride to be with HIM forever.
How do you know that in Rev 22:13 that it is Jesus speaking? I don't think it is Jesus speaking but rather the Lord God speaking because in Rev 1:8 it clarifies that the Alpha & the Omega is the Lord God. So therefore if the Lord God is the Alpha and the Omega he is also the other 2 as well as we see in Rev 22:13.