Not By Works

[BibleloverBill]

Responsibility with God's Grace


R-- read and learn the Bible. (See 2 Timothy 3:16-17.)


E-- enter the Holy of Holies frequently in order to be Holy Spirit sensitive. (See Hebrews 10:19-25.)


S-- search the New Testament especially for the 1050 commandments. (Need to know what pleases God.)


P-- pursue righteousness or Christ-likeness. (See Ephesians 4:11-16.)


O-- 0bserve good leaders about how they are responsible in both speech and actions.


N-- need to frequently remember all of God’s Grace in our lives and be more thankful for such.


S-- Sanctification requires being obedient to the Holy Spirit’s urgings.


I-- intellectualism is not very important compared to Christian Sanctification.


B-- Bible understanding and obeying is so important.


I-- immersion into doing our Ephesians 2:10 parts for the Great Commission is so important.


L-- Loving with compassion everyone. (In what ways do you do such, even for enemies?)


T-- teaching others spiritual Truths when Holy Spirit urged. (He has perfect timing.)


Y-- Yeshua is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, keep obeying His wonderful teachings.





G -- God


R -- Redeemer


A -- acts of God


T -- teaching by the Bible and the Holy Spirit


I -- intimacy with Jesus Christ


T -- toleration by the God of grace


U -- understanding by God and others


D -- Divine Love-- Agapè


E -- Eternity in the future





L -- living


U -- under


C -- Christ's


K -- Kingship

 

[BibleloverBill]

not for Salvation, but are fruits of being born again:

C -- Christ-likeness, unselfish concerns, & consideration

O -- observations

M -- mercy & money sharing

P -- perseverance, prayer, & patience

A -- attentiveness

S -- specific needs fulfilling

S -- spiritual reasons

I -- ideas & inspiration

O -- obedience to the Holy Spirit

N -- necessary or needed attitudes, actions, & aspirations

 

[Judges1318]

Well I guess we do not need metonymy then.

You'll have to explain what you mean by this regarding 1 Corinthians 15:1-2.

Only the women who have had children are saved.

I see you still do not know what a metonymy is.

 

[Judges1318]

In Bedrock ~ twist, twist.

Haven't you been reading along?
I'm being told my continuing to believe in order to be saved when Jesus comes back is me trying to earn my own salvation through works.

 

[Judges1318]

Way off the mark here for sure.
You have mastered the art of double speak.

Yes the cross is sufficient............No the cross is not sufficient.

I'm convinced.....this is a comprehension problem for you.

 

[Judges1318]

Exactly....lookie lookie what I have done...I have maintained my faith because Jesus was to weak and ineffectual to do it! <--His dogma in a nutshell!

You don't seem to realize that it is in your doctrine that Jesus is to weak and ineffectual to maintain a person's faith.
Simple observation shows us that your new osas Christ hasn't been doing a very good job of maintaining the believing of his people.
Every failed believer, now ex-believer, that you say is still saved, is proof that Christ does not maintain the believer's trust in him for you.
If He did, He would do a much better job at it than your doctrine empirically shows him to be doing.

 

[Judges1318]

god promised we could never fail, because it is based on him not us

so yes, when you claim someone can fall you deny the promises.

Don't tell him, tell decontroversal and 11th hour!
They are the one's asserting that fallen believers are still saved.......fallen believers you say do not exist and deny the promises.

Explain to them that if the believers trusting was really up to Christ and not the responsibility of the believer, as you believe, He would do a much better job doing that than what we see happening in the church.
There would be no fallen believers to defend as still being saved if Christ was the one relieving us of the necessity to keep believing.

 

[Judges1318]

A believer can’t Continue in sin. John makes this clear in 1 John 3.

Exactly!
That's why I keep saying the person who enters into willful sin in Hebrews 10:26-29 is doing that because he no longer believes in Christ's blood. He is no longer a believer. If he was still a believer he would not be in the circumstances being condemned in the passage. The believer has the sacrifice of Christ remaining to cover his sin. It is the one who once believed in Christ but then turns his back on Christ in unbelief who has no sacrifice remaining to cover his sin and will burn in the Judgment to come.

"26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire " - Hebrews 10:26

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[Judges1318]

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I would say we’ve been at this point for a while now.

But you keep coming back.

 

[Judges1318]

chastening does not fail. If it get to out of hand God just takes us home

No, God turns you over for the destruction of the flesh so that you may be saved.

"5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, a b so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. " - 1 Corinthians 5:5

The mood of the verb 'saved' is Subjunctive. That means being saved as a result of being turned over to satan may or may not happen:

"the mood of possibility and potentiality. The action described may or may not occur, depending upon circumstances."
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1co/5/1/t_conc_1067005

If it were true that this person was 'once saved always saved' he would not have to be turned over to the destruction of the flesh in the first place to be saved--he's supposedly already saved. But as it is, this person is to be turned over to satan and the destruction of the flesh to possibly be saved because he surely won't be saved when Jesus comes back in the state he's in now. Without this chastisement this person won't be saved. And depending on how he responds to being turned over to satan he still may not be saved when Jesus comes back.

 

[mailmandan]

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But you keep coming back.

On occasion and for the sake of others.

 

[Judges1318]

Is all sin not willful?

No.
There is sinning because of being deceived.
There is sinning because of weakness.
There is sinning because of fear.
There is sinning because of ignorance.
And there is sinning out of just plain stupidity (Meh!).

Then there is sinning because you just don't give a crap about Christ and his forgiveness anymore in unbelief.
That is the sin that Hebrews 10 is talking about because that is the sin out of all those listed above for which there is no sacrifice for.
You can't have the benefit of a Sacrifice you no longer are trusting and believing in to cover your sin.
You have nothing left to look forward to but the fiery Judgment reserved for the enemies of God at the end of the age.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

On occasion and for the sake of others.

Hoping to find life and new people
To open our discussion with

 

[Judges1318]

Hebrews 10:26-29 should awake every believer to righteousness so that they will not commit sin (1 Corinthians 15:34).

But it gets rationalized by convenient osas interpretations that make the plain words of the passage not really mean what they say.

 

[Lightskin]

Haven't you been reading along?
I'm being told my continuing to believe in order to be saved when Jesus comes back is me trying to earn my own salvation through works.

I was referring to post 136,341.

 

[EleventhHour]

I'm convinced.....this is a comprehension problem for you.

I would agree... I do not comprehend your dogma.

 

[EleventhHour]

Don't tell him, tell decontroversal and 11th hour!
They are the one's asserting that fallen believers are still saved.......fallen believers you say do not exist and deny the promises.

Explain to them that if the believers trusting was really up to Christ and not the responsibility of the believer, as you believe, He would do a much better job doing that than what we see happening in the church.
There would be no fallen believers to defend as still being saved if Christ was the one relieving us of the necessity to keep believing.

No born again beleiver has ever become a non born again believer.

A butterfly cannot go back to being a caterpillar... and a birth is once and not undone Jesus does not lie.

 

[dcontroversal]

No born again beleiver has ever become a non born again believer.

A butterfly cannot go back to being a caterpillar... and a birth is once and not undone Jesus does not lie.

Amen.....and to be honest, rather disgusting when people that know the truth will enable false teachers while throwing Jesus, the truth and those that defend the truth under the bus!!

 

[Lafftur]

It’s hard for believers that have the same heart issues of the elder brother of the prodigal son to believe that Father would welcome His prodigal back home with great joy.......

They would rather believe that if a believer leaves the faith after being saved they cannot come back. However, the Father says they can!

 

[azamzimtoti]

I would agree... I do not comprehend your dogma.

His catma is no better.