Not By Works

[Micaiah-imla]

In the end, those who subscribe to self sustained/self maintained salvation are looking for this...

This is not true.

I challenge OSAS without presuming the adherents of it love their sin.

Mailmandan, you've been more mature than the other OSAS'ers; I'm surprised you're stooping down to their level.

 

[dcontroversal]

My last postings were the most idiotic, false, misleading statements that you've ever heard; I broke that record quite fast.

Indeed.......!!

 

[gb9]

Are you saying I look bad.

Well, it is not my fault all the salons , manicurists, gyms, shopping malls and spas are closed down!!!

* not down here in Georgia.

side note- while the media was blasting us a couple of weeks ago for opening too soon, and predicted 1000' s of new cases and hundreds of new deaths, none of this has in any way manifested so far..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Matt 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.


Matt 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

Amen, I think we are way past this point

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is not true.

I challenge OSAS without presuming the adherents of it love their sin.

Mailmandan, you've been more mature than the other OSAS'ers; I'm surprised you're stooping down to their level.

So you challenge the promises of God

why would you?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

So you challenge the promises of God

why would you?

You have accepted to interpret the scriptures with an assumed "fact" that a believer cannot fall away from the saving faith of Christ. This leads you to the inevitable conclusion that anyone who does not share in assuming this "fact" is challenging the promises of God. I understand.

I submit, based on scripture alone, that this assumed "fact" is an error.

I could rightly accuse you as a truth denier on plain scripture; but I rather not take that route. It's not personal.

I would rather, for loves sake, assume that you are simply in error and in need of a patient nurture in the word of God and doctrine.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You have accepted to interpret the scriptures with an assumed "fact" that a believer cannot fall away from the saving faith of Christ. This leads you to the inevitable conclusion that anyone who does not share in assuming this "fact" is challenging the promises of God. I understand.

I submit, based on scripture alone, that this assumed "fact" is an error.

I could rightly accuse you as a truth denier on plain scripture; but I rather not take that route. It's not personal.

I would rather, for loves sake, assume that you are simply in error and in need of a patient nurture in the word of God and doctrine.

god promised we could never fail, because it is based on him not us

so yes, when you claim someone can fall you deny the promises. And put the onus on salvation on yourself not God

 

[Lightskin]

Actually, believing in Once Saved, Always Saved is the perfect doctrine for those who would rather focus on "self" rather than works of righteousness.

Elaborate

 

[Rosemaryx]

Again, you should see it

every day you have one man spouting the same old lies using the same old arguments and 5 or 6 people saying the same responses and the same results

its like watching a wash cycle

rinse repeat day after day.

its pretty sad that one man has this much power

I have to admit , I do see your point...
Round and round it goes , same answers replied to the same false claims made , but I also see why posters keep swinging , not letting them get away with their false gospel , but for me most time , I scroll unless I know the Holy Spirit moves me to post , then I will post , but it does become weary watching it , did Jesus not say these times would come? , these nosas destroy , they never build , they are on the wrong foundation...
...xox...

 

[EleventhHour]

Matt 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.


Matt 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

I respect your point, however we must keep those verses in context, have you noticed that in the last twenty year or so the accurate Gospel is harder and harder to find... why is that?

The Gospel is under constant seige.... it is not even about @Judges1318 at all....

It is about keeping the TRUTH front and center... that is my view but if someone can show me otherwise I will reconsider.

 

[EleventhHour]

You have accepted to interpret the scriptures with an assumed "fact" that a believer cannot fall away from the saving faith of Christ. This leads you to the inevitable conclusion that anyone who does not share in assuming this "fact" is challenging the promises of God. I understand.

I submit, based on scripture alone, that this assumed "fact" is an error.

I could rightly accuse you as a truth denier on plain scripture; but I rather not take that route. It's not personal.

I would rather, for loves sake, assume that you are simply in error and in need of a patient nurture in the word of God and doctrine.

Then you would be making the promises conditional upon our deeds .. is that correct?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Elaborate

Speaking in general terms:

You can focus on what you want to do instead of focusing on what God wants you to do. Because, in OSAS, believing the Gospel is the only thing you must do, nothing else afterwards.

So now you can concentrate on this world and life, if you so choose to do so, while still being saved forever no matter what you do.

 

[EleventhHour]

Speaking in general terms:

You can focus on what you want to do instead of focusing on what God wants you to do. Because, in OSAS, believing the Gospel is the only thing you must do, nothing else afterwards.

So now you can concentrate on this world and life, if you so choose to do so, while still being saved forever no matter what you do.

And God does not chasten His Children... He washes His hands of those He adopts?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Then you would be making the promises conditional upon our deeds .. is that correct?

Well, he said I was "challenging the promises", not "making the promises conditional".

But Romans 11:22 clearly states that you will be cut off like the unbelieving Jews if you failed to continue in God's goodness and to fear because of this fact (Romans 11:20). The subject of "Belief" is a clear reference to salvation.

The gift of eternal life is conditional upon belief.

Then you must endure until the end.

 

[EleventhHour]

And God does not chasten His Children... He washes His hands of those He adopts?

@Micaiah-imla I will deal with you other post .. but what is your response to this?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

And God does not chasten His Children... He washes His hands of those He adopts?

Yes, he does chastise.

But if chastisement fails, then there's this:

This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth (Jeremiah 7:28).

Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint (Isaiah 1:5).

He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy (Proverbs 29:1).

 

[Judges1318]

In the end, those who subscribe to self sustained/self maintained salvation are looking for this...

Trusting in God's promise of forgiveness is not a self-congratulatory work of self righteousness. It is the exact opposite of that. That is what Paul taught.

 

[EleventhHour]

Yes, he does chastise.

But if chastisement fails, then there's this:

This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth (Jeremiah 7:28).

Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint (Isaiah 1:5).

He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy (Proverbs 29:1).

I do know that we should not compare how God deals a nation to the promises He makes to us as individuals.

I would state you must challenge the direct promises God has made to believers.

 

[Judges1318]

Try again deceiver.....make no mistake, your self sustained salvation is the false dogma being peddled on this thread....and it will TAKE YOU to the flaming pit!!

It's interesting how every believer is irreversibly saved forever except believers who disagree with your personal doctrinal beliefs.

 

[Judges1318]

Your focus is guilt rather than grace.

Where there is no grace available there is only guilt.
The person who walks away from God's grace doesn't have any grace left to remove his guilt.

"26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire..." - Hebrews 10:26