Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

Very well.

If this is true, and heaven is a place where suffering ends and all tears shall be wiped away, a place of unimaginable wonder and peace (which it is), wouldn't this be motivation for some weak soul, who is suffering terrible in this life, to sin to the point of getting to heaven quicker?

what?

Paul continually Said to be absent from the body is to be present from the lord, and it was this power that kept him moving forward and doing what he did inspite of severe suffering and persecution

grace does not have the affect on people you are teaching,,

But the truth is that a person who continues frowardly in sin after repeated attempts of correction will be told "depart from me ye that work iniquity".

The truth is those who continually live in sin have never seen or known God (1 John 3) because they have been born of god and can’t continue to live in sin

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He is of no threat, but his words can be for the those who are not discerning....... he has followers and I know of one, maybe two such

people who stopped siding with him because we continually exposed his error.

The thread was started by @dcontroversal ... and if he wants me to stop because it gives Judges a platform I will, however my

inclination is that @Judges1318 will view that as victory and continue posting anyway.

Go ahead, continue to feed the troll

this thread in my view has been destroyed because you all keep feeding the troll

like I said this thread should have its named changed to judges thread. Because no one will was he their feet and move on

 

[EleventhHour]

The ones who work iniquity are those who work sin.

Those who are saved are capable of doing whatever they please; sin unto death, or obey unto righteousness.

The imputation of righteousness is credited to an unbeliever upon his/her belief in the gospel.

Now the unbeliever becomes a believer with the responsibility to walk worthy of the vocation he has been given.

When you understand that all sin was dealt with at the cross, and our deeds, or lack thereof, never secured salvation and never will,

then you will understand the Gospel.

 

[BillG]

Jesus laid me off Bill . . no longer working for me salvation

So he has furloughed you

 

[Micaiah-imla]

When you understand that all sin was dealt with at the cross, and our deeds, or lack thereof, never secured salvation and never will,

then you will understand the Gospel.

All past sins, before being born again, were dealt with at the cross.

A believer who willfully sins in the future, after his belief in the gospel, has trodden under foot the son of God and has counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an holy thing and has done despite unto Spirit of grace (Hebrews 10:26, 29).

 

[azamzimtoti]

So he has furloughed you

I think furloughed is a temp lay off Bill.

 

[EleventhHour]

All past sins, before being born again, were dealt with at the cross.

A believer who willfully sins in the future, after the cross, has trodden under foot the son of God and has counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an holy thing and has done despite unto Spirit of grace (Hebrews 10:26, 29).

SIGH!!

You then are in big trouble.

The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world...NO timeline.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All past sins, before being born again, were dealt with at the cross.

A believer who willfully sins in the future, after his belief in the gospel, has trodden under foot the son of God and has counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an holy thing and has done despite unto Spirit of grace (Hebrews 10:26, 29).

A believer can’t Continue in sin. John makes this clear in 1 John 3.

you need to correct your interpreation. Of Heb 10, it is not saying what you think

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So he has furloughed you

He pulled me out of the pit Where I am no longer working for myself, and sent me on a mission To work to help others

 

[mailmandan]

Amen, I think we are way past this point

I would say we’ve been at this point for a while now.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

A believer can’t Continue in sin. John makes this clear in 1 John 3.

you need to correct your interpreation. Of Heb 10, it is not saying what you think

Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin.

For if we sin willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin.

Both are true.

The latter steers the believer to the former.

 

[BillG]

I think furloughed is a temp lay off Bill.

Yeh but your wages are paid for.

And in the eyes of our employer there is no such thing as temporary.
Over here the govt pays 80% yet the govt of Jesus pays 100% of it.

Furthermore when we to be made redundant we will be with him forever.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I would say we’ve been at this point for a while now.

amen brother.. It detracts from the thread.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin.

For if we sin willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin.

Both are true.

The latter steers the believer to the former.

they can not both be true

If A child who is born of God can not sin, They can not willfully sin causing no more sacrifice to be required.

You have a major problem here my friend

 

[BillG]

He pulled me out of the pit Where I am no longer working for myself, and sent me on a mission To work to help others

Winner winner chicken dinner as we say over here.

We have a new employer, one who loves his employees so much he paid their wages 100%.

And as I said to @azamzimtoti when we are made redundant we will be with our employee forever.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

they can not both be true

If A child who is born of God can not sin, They can not willfully sin causing no more sacrifice to be required.

You have a major problem here my friend

If an unbeliever remains in unbelief and continues to willfully commit sin, he will be in no worse situation than he was in before.

But for the believer, the latter end is worse for him than the beginning; for it were better for him not to have know the way of righteousness, than after knowing it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto him.

 

[BillG]

If an unbeliever remains in unbelief and continues to willfully commit sin, he will be in no worse situation than he was in before.

But for the believer, the latter end is worse for him than the beginning; for it were better for him not to have know the way of righteousness, than after knowing it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto him.

Is all sin not willful?

Did Jesus only die for the sins of commission and not die for the sins of omission?

Do we infact have an excuse for sins of omission?

After all if he has written his law on our hearts do we have an excuse?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Hebrews 10:26-29 should awake every believer to righteousness so that they will not commit sin (1 Corinthians 15:34).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Winner winner chicken dinner as we say over here.

We have a new employer, one who loves his employees so much he paid their wages 100%.

And as I said to @azamzimtoti when we are made redundant we will be with our employee forever.

Amen

Its sad that there are those who think God only paid a percentage, and they have to pay the remaining balance.. They can work every minute of every day for the rest of their life and still fall short..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If an unbeliever remains in unbelief and continues to willfully commit sin, he will be in no worse situation than he was in before.

Your right, But if he SAYS he believes meaning he heard the truth, and yet doed not repent and come to faith, to him it will be worse than before.

But for the believer, the latter end is worse for him than the beginning; for it were better for him not to have know the way of righteousness, than after knowing it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto him.

Your right, Just like those who returned to law. Knowingly turned from the holy command to come to God in faith.. To them it will be far worse.

Because they had truth in their hand, And let it go to return to a law which could never save them This there is no more sacrifice for them. Because the sacrifices they offer are invalid.