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This is possibly the most rational and reasonable thing I've EVER heard from a Catholic, even if we can never agree on anything.
Catholics should see the vital need for the Solas at that time, and what they were specifically employed to address. Protestants need to realize every last detail related to ethics, morals, and culture can't be found directly spelled out in Scripture; and denominations have traditions of their own that take precedence over Scripture.
Catholics should see the vital need for the Solas at that time, and what they were specifically employed to address. Protestants need to realize every last detail related to ethics, morals, and culture can't be found directly spelled out in Scripture; and denominations have traditions of their own that take precedence over Scripture.
K
Jesus already did enough by sending the Holy Spirit to us.
He taught about signs and wonders. He didn't, though, tell us to bow before those signs and wonders. Mary was described as a sign (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:22-23)
Jesus just gave us our "marching orders" (as I call it) and gave us signs of His returning. Anything else is to distract His people from it.
He taught about signs and wonders. He didn't, though, tell us to bow before those signs and wonders. Mary was described as a sign (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:22-23)
Jesus just gave us our "marching orders" (as I call it) and gave us signs of His returning. Anything else is to distract His people from it.
K
Somebody in Scripture tried to make mention of Mary. Jesus redirected her focus:
Luke 11
As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”
He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
Ignoring Mary? Yes, when we focus on the word of God and our obedience to it.
Would you've replied to Jesus as "but your MOTHER!" after what He said? Or should your focus be on WHAT He said: hearing the word of God and obey it.
I'd pick the latter.
Luke 11
As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”
He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
Ignoring Mary? Yes, when we focus on the word of God and our obedience to it.
Would you've replied to Jesus as "but your MOTHER!" after what He said? Or should your focus be on WHAT He said: hearing the word of God and obey it.
I'd pick the latter.
S
Dear pneumapsuchesoma,
If it's true that denominations have traditions of their own, taking precedence over
Scripture, then denominations that preach Anti-Trinity doctrine must have their
anti-Trinitarian traditions which take precedence over the texts of the Scriptures.
Including over Matthew 28:19. According to the no persons Anti-Trinity dogma. Take
care. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
fatima? who is fatima? shouldnt we focus on Jesus only?
you are ignoring the cunning power of satan; dont you know that he can perform these miracles? you might end up worshipping satan thinking you are worshipping god. ont worship with your eyes, but with your spirit.God is spirit and anyone worshipping God must worship him in spirit and in truth: satan can, and is and will copy miracles. remember pharaoh magicians?
First, I wasn't talking to you.
Second, Trinity is tradition rather than Scripture.
Third, You simply become more deeply and steeply indoctrinated every day.
Why do you bother continuing to address me? I've left your erroneous traditions and doctrines of men for the truth of the Spirit. I won't return to those weak and beggarly elements.
Every time I concede to be congenial to Catho-Orthos, someone says something like what you posted. I hereby revert to a hardline status that Catho-Orthos are ignorant indoctrinated heretics clinging to inherited default doctrines of men that have undermined the Gospel of Jesus Christ by fractionalizing God into multiple theoanthropized separate entities of an extra-biblical Trinity of three "persons". Filioque is heresy upon Trinity heresy, which is to be expected from such corrupt coercive religious organizations that include mysticism and saint-venerating idolatry among many other heretical beliefs and practices.
Second, Trinity is tradition rather than Scripture.
Third, You simply become more deeply and steeply indoctrinated every day.
Why do you bother continuing to address me? I've left your erroneous traditions and doctrines of men for the truth of the Spirit. I won't return to those weak and beggarly elements.
Every time I concede to be congenial to Catho-Orthos, someone says something like what you posted. I hereby revert to a hardline status that Catho-Orthos are ignorant indoctrinated heretics clinging to inherited default doctrines of men that have undermined the Gospel of Jesus Christ by fractionalizing God into multiple theoanthropized separate entities of an extra-biblical Trinity of three "persons". Filioque is heresy upon Trinity heresy, which is to be expected from such corrupt coercive religious organizations that include mysticism and saint-venerating idolatry among many other heretical beliefs and practices.
K
Fatima - (wikipedia)
"Mary" supposedly showed up to three children (aw, gee! HOW can it be DEMONIC if it appeared to CHILDREN!! Yes, it can. How cruel for the enemy to use children and appeal to them (ex: Santa))
"Mary" referred to "herself" as the "Lady of the Rosary". (Jesus said we could BOLDLY go to God and simply ASK. Yet, this "Mary" draws people to "herself". Nowhere does Jesus tell people to go to His disciples. Nowhere does the disciples say "come onto ME". Instead, they just point the way to Christ.)
The children were told by "Mary" to pray the rosary every day. Nowhere do we see Jesus saying any such nonsense.
There's a "prayer" to Jesus for those who come against the "Heart of Mary". Jesus warned about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Read on and on and compare it to the words of Jesus.
The enemy IS a counterfeit. I believe it was the enemy who showed up to those children. Jesus warned of even people saying that the Christ is here and there. We're told not to believe that, either.
Such a move by the enemy! And millions around the world took it hook, line and sinker.
"Mary" supposedly showed up to three children (aw, gee! HOW can it be DEMONIC if it appeared to CHILDREN!! Yes, it can. How cruel for the enemy to use children and appeal to them (ex: Santa))
"Mary" referred to "herself" as the "Lady of the Rosary". (Jesus said we could BOLDLY go to God and simply ASK. Yet, this "Mary" draws people to "herself". Nowhere does Jesus tell people to go to His disciples. Nowhere does the disciples say "come onto ME". Instead, they just point the way to Christ.)
The children were told by "Mary" to pray the rosary every day. Nowhere do we see Jesus saying any such nonsense.
There's a "prayer" to Jesus for those who come against the "Heart of Mary". Jesus warned about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Read on and on and compare it to the words of Jesus.
The enemy IS a counterfeit. I believe it was the enemy who showed up to those children. Jesus warned of even people saying that the Christ is here and there. We're told not to believe that, either.
Such a move by the enemy! And millions around the world took it hook, line and sinker.
R
Yes, I understand the Bible does not say to pray to Mary or the Saints.
Many of you here accept that prophecy and miracles can occur through man through gifts of the Holy Spirit and call that from God, yet when they are recorded supernaturally through visions of Mary or through the intercessionary prayer of a passed on Saint it is from the devil because afterall the devil can appear as an angel of light.
There are numerous documented and compelling stories of healings, miracles or conversions to faith at Marian apparition sites and/or through prayer for the intercession of a Saint. I guess, in this crowd, such testimonies are lies or works of the devil.
I realize now a Protestant Christian chat site is not the place to bring these things up. I can respect that.
Many of you here accept that prophecy and miracles can occur through man through gifts of the Holy Spirit and call that from God, yet when they are recorded supernaturally through visions of Mary or through the intercessionary prayer of a passed on Saint it is from the devil because afterall the devil can appear as an angel of light.
There are numerous documented and compelling stories of healings, miracles or conversions to faith at Marian apparition sites and/or through prayer for the intercession of a Saint. I guess, in this crowd, such testimonies are lies or works of the devil.
I realize now a Protestant Christian chat site is not the place to bring these things up. I can respect that.
S
The Anglicans and Lutherans have a variant on the rosary. Does that make them by default part of the Roman Church? Because I'm pretty sure they fall under the Protestant label.
Seriously though, beads are used by different cultures to count prayers, saying that the beads are pagans because pagans may have used them is utter nonsense. Pagans used crosses, so dies that make all crosses pagan?
Seriously though, beads are used by different cultures to count prayers, saying that the beads are pagans because pagans may have used them is utter nonsense. Pagans used crosses, so dies that make all crosses pagan?
The Anglicans and Lutherans have a variant on the rosary. Does that make them by default part of the Roman Church? Because I'm pretty sure they fall under the Protestant label. Seriously though, beads are used by different cultures to count prayers, saying that the beads are pagans because pagans may have used them is utter nonsense. Pagans used crosses, so dies that make all crosses pagan?
Seriously though, beads are used by different cultures to count prayers, saying that the beads are pagans because pagans may have used them is utter nonsense. Pagans used crosses, so dies that make all crosses pagan?
the sign of the cross is not used by the early church,it was brought in by the roman church. we true christians shouldnt use any signs,the sign should be in our heart and mind in Jesus. dont do what the pagans do, we are a separate people, a sanctified people.
''wakeup''.