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Have you ever brought a gift to a birthday party, wedding shower, engagement party, wedding, anniversary, baby shower, graduation, house warming, hospital... I have many times over..... I remember each and every time I gave them the gift with no obligations. 
"Gift"
a thing given willingly to someone without payment
Webster Dictionary
"Gift"
a thing given willingly to someone without payment
Webster Dictionary
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John 5:24 is baby milk, not the meat of the word.
If you don't believe me, keep reading....
You mean like Matthew 18:23-35, Matthew 18:8-9 , and Mark 9:42-47?
No, really, it's baby milk.
The Bible itself says so.
I posted the verses that say that.
That's why I wondered if you had read my post.
No, Jesus did not. It says it in Hebrews 5:12 to 6:2.
John 5:24 is an 'elementary teaching about Christ'.
The "teaching about righteousness" through which we "distinguish good from evil" is the solid food of the Bible that mature/maturing believers chew on.
Infants are the one's who still live on the milk knowledge of the "elementary teachings about Christ" (Osas majors in them as if they are the meat of the word).
Read the passage, Bill.
Is there something you want me to specifically address?
I literally would be on-line from 7 in the morning to 5 in the afternoon if I tried to respond to everything posted here.
I don't have the time to do that.
But if there is something specific you want me to address, I will.
If you don't believe me, keep reading....
You mean like Matthew 18:23-35, Matthew 18:8-9 , and Mark 9:42-47?
No, really, it's baby milk.
The Bible itself says so.
I posted the verses that say that.
That's why I wondered if you had read my post.
No, Jesus did not. It says it in Hebrews 5:12 to 6:2.
John 5:24 is an 'elementary teaching about Christ'.
The "teaching about righteousness" through which we "distinguish good from evil" is the solid food of the Bible that mature/maturing believers chew on.
Infants are the one's who still live on the milk knowledge of the "elementary teachings about Christ" (Osas majors in them as if they are the meat of the word).
Read the passage, Bill.
Is there something you want me to specifically address?
I literally would be on-line from 7 in the morning to 5 in the afternoon if I tried to respond to everything posted here.
I don't have the time to do that.
But if there is something specific you want me to address, I will.
By that statement, Luther is not calling for the burning of anything...by stating that Moses would have burned them down (which is true) he is illustrating the degree to which the Jews have apostatized against God.
Now, if Luther would have said, "I wish to see them burnt to the ground", then he indeed could be accused of calling for Jewish persecution..but Luther is a Christian, and Christians love their enemies.
Now, if Luther would have said, "I wish to see them burnt to the ground", then he indeed could be accused of calling for Jewish persecution..but Luther is a Christian, and Christians love their enemies.
Lies? I can read English. I"m told that OSAS says one can be "out of fellowship with God while still saved". Where is that in Scripture? No where. What IS in Scripture is "he that is not with Me is against Me, and he that gathereth not with Me scattereth abroad." See? The Spiritual Switzerland that OSAS seeks to establish cannot be.
The crux of the problem is osas thinks it's some kind of superior knowledge of the mature. It is not.
And as a result, it leaves believers in their infancy and they don't grow up into that which really matters.
You don't know anything until you grow up to walk the walk Jesus walked.
"knowledge puffs up while love builds up. 2 Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know." - 1 Corinthians 8:1-2
"3 we have come to know him if we keep his commands." - 1 John 2:3
You may be known by God in salvation but you don't know Him until you become "acquainted with the teaching about righteousness" through the solid food of the mature "who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil" (Hebrews 5:13,14).
And as a result, it leaves believers in their infancy and they don't grow up into that which really matters.
You don't know anything until you grow up to walk the walk Jesus walked.
"knowledge puffs up while love builds up. 2 Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know." - 1 Corinthians 8:1-2
"3 we have come to know him if we keep his commands." - 1 John 2:3
You may be known by God in salvation but you don't know Him until you become "acquainted with the teaching about righteousness" through the solid food of the mature "who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil" (Hebrews 5:13,14).
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Paul was setting the order of the church and the requirements of it's leaders. They must be chosen by God and not take on the responsibility of themselves. He continues to explain the teaching of proper doctrine and basically not to let the tares fool anyone by acting like they have received the spirit through ritualistic practices the churches of today rely upon in their services. For it is impossible to bring one claiming christ and partaking of the spirit and tasted the heavenly gifts to renew them to repentance after a turning denial because of a conjured dead faith.
We know this because a few versus down he tells the Hebrews that he expect better things of them . Things THAT ACCOMPANY SALVATION.
We know this because a few versus down he tells the Hebrews that he expect better things of them . Things THAT ACCOMPANY SALVATION.
Reading that treatise for what it is rather than trying to read out of it the hatred I don't believe you'd be arriving at that conclusion. His statements on jews goes beyond just that treatise he also gave sermons and delivered other material that hit the same notes. And it's not as if the words have never instigated such things, part of the reason for the sanitation that's seen today is because when the treatise was first reprinted in 1614 it instigated pogroms not to mention the impact it had on Nazi Germany. There's a reason the book was featured in the Nuremberg trials.
Your last statement kind of assumes the point rather than seeing things for what they are, because as I said his hatred of jews is part of why there are grounds for questioning how well he truly understood grace. He knew intellectual doctrine but his life and statements don't seem to back up an apprehension of grace.
Your last statement kind of assumes the point rather than seeing things for what they are, because as I said his hatred of jews is part of why there are grounds for questioning how well he truly understood grace. He knew intellectual doctrine but his life and statements don't seem to back up an apprehension of grace.
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you just seem to grasp the concept that plucking out random verses and building theology around them is just Scriptural noise.
there are over 33.000 verses . one can connect and conjoin and make them say whatever one wants.
but that is junk theology.
just like this. if you keep reading the LETTER of 1st John, he goes on to say that the commands are to " believe on the name of the Son and love one another"'
so to believe and love is keeping the commands.
there are over 33.000 verses . one can connect and conjoin and make them say whatever one wants.
but that is junk theology.
just like this. if you keep reading the LETTER of 1st John, he goes on to say that the commands are to " believe on the name of the Son and love one another"'
so to believe and love is keeping the commands.
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Believers are sealed until the redemption of the purchased possession/unto the day of redemption. (Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:30)
Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Ephesians 1:14 (AMP) - The Spirit is the guarantee [the first installment, the pledge, a foretaste] of our inheritance until the redemption of God’s own [purchased] possession [His believers], to the praise of His glory.
Ephesians 4:30 - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed unto/for the day of redemption. *Nothing there about believers being "temporarily" sealed unto the day of losing salvation.
In regards to the deposit/down payment, this is assured by God to believers as the Divine pledge of our future inheritance.
2 Corinthians 1:21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2 Corinthians 5:5 - Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Ephesians 1:14 (AMP) - The Spirit is the guarantee [the first installment, the pledge, a foretaste] of our inheritance until the redemption of God’s own [purchased] possession [His believers], to the praise of His glory.
Ephesians 4:30 - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed unto/for the day of redemption. *Nothing there about believers being "temporarily" sealed unto the day of losing salvation.
In regards to the deposit/down payment, this is assured by God to believers as the Divine pledge of our future inheritance.
2 Corinthians 1:21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2 Corinthians 5:5 - Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
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i think you might have this upside down..
For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits.
(Hebrews 5:12-6:3)
here's what the author explicitly says is "milk" - discerning good from evil
- repenting from dead works
- doctrines of baptism
- doctrines of laying on of hands
- doctrines of resurrection
- doctrines of eternal judgement
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