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thanks for thinking i am witty
far from it, tho - the consensus of polled opinion is that my attempts at humor are usually pretty pathetic.
it was a serious comment tho -- it just happens that more often than not whenever i see you commenting it's having to do with calling this thing evil or that thing evil, this person wicked, etc. specks and planks.
as i've been telling you for several years - i think it is wiser to speak about Christ, about goodness, about things we may rejoice in and give thanks over, about His great mercies and power. whoever has love and walks in it, fulfills all righteousness. they don't need to be threatened with condemnation over it. so why not speak life, rather than judgement?
thanks for that, too.
although the truth of the matter is that i am an idiot.
far from it, tho - the consensus of polled opinion is that my attempts at humor are usually pretty pathetic.
it was a serious comment tho -- it just happens that more often than not whenever i see you commenting it's having to do with calling this thing evil or that thing evil, this person wicked, etc. specks and planks.
as i've been telling you for several years - i think it is wiser to speak about Christ, about goodness, about things we may rejoice in and give thanks over, about His great mercies and power. whoever has love and walks in it, fulfills all righteousness. they don't need to be threatened with condemnation over it. so why not speak life, rather than judgement?
thanks for that, too.
although the truth of the matter is that i am an idiot.
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What Paul spoke was theopneustos, it wasn't merely a hospitable greeting, but divine truth.
You shouldn't be so quick to disregard the word in perhaps a bias against OSAS.
Notice also it is Christ who brings this work to completion in his people, not they themselves. Here is John Gill on this matter concerning the text:
"Wherefore by it is undoubtedly meant the work of grace upon their hearts, sometimes called the work of faith, because that is a principal part of it: this is God's work, and not man's, as may be concluded from the nature of the work itself, which is the transforming of a man by the reviewing of him, a regeneration, a resurrection, and a creation, and therefore requires almighty power; and from the condition man is in by nature, he is dead in sin, and has no power to act spiritually, and much less what is equal to such a work as this; he has no will, desire, and inclination to it, but all the reverse; and if he had, he could no more effect it, than the dry bones in Ezekiel's vision could cause themselves to live. This is the work of God."
Compare this text with Philippians 2:11-13 and we see the same truth expanded. This is also witnessed in Hebrews 12:2, and expresses the same truth. Ezekiel 36:27 also expresses this same truth which Scripture Paul knew, and was totally aware of.
You probably need to read some more Bible, compare passages that are similar, and implement 2 Timothy 2:15 because this truth is expressed all over its precious pages to Soli Deo Gloria.
To take your error to its logical end, using the verse in context since it is Christ accomplishing this in them, Christ will then not finish what he began.
You shouldn't be so quick to disregard the word in perhaps a bias against OSAS.
Notice also it is Christ who brings this work to completion in his people, not they themselves. Here is John Gill on this matter concerning the text:
"Wherefore by it is undoubtedly meant the work of grace upon their hearts, sometimes called the work of faith, because that is a principal part of it: this is God's work, and not man's, as may be concluded from the nature of the work itself, which is the transforming of a man by the reviewing of him, a regeneration, a resurrection, and a creation, and therefore requires almighty power; and from the condition man is in by nature, he is dead in sin, and has no power to act spiritually, and much less what is equal to such a work as this; he has no will, desire, and inclination to it, but all the reverse; and if he had, he could no more effect it, than the dry bones in Ezekiel's vision could cause themselves to live. This is the work of God."
Compare this text with Philippians 2:11-13 and we see the same truth expanded. This is also witnessed in Hebrews 12:2, and expresses the same truth. Ezekiel 36:27 also expresses this same truth which Scripture Paul knew, and was totally aware of.
You probably need to read some more Bible, compare passages that are similar, and implement 2 Timothy 2:15 because this truth is expressed all over its precious pages to Soli Deo Gloria.
To take your error to its logical end, using the verse in context since it is Christ accomplishing this in them, Christ will then not finish what he began.
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"Lifestyle of sin" is vague description and I find it rather meaningless myself, do some of the believers at the Church at Corinth fit this?
"Never saved to begin with"... when is it fair to make that assessment when someone backslides?
...having worked on the streets for the Sally Ann with all types, and I mean all types of very desperate people, and then seeing some come to Christ in humility and grow in faith for a long while, and then get pulled back to life on the streets, and when they go back even harder to recover typically, well I could never be the one to state they were never saved.
No one has the view of the totality of entire person's life from start to finish so it is a completely unfair assessment of one human to make of another based on someone having fallen into sin.
God takes care of His own one way or another ... scripture makes that clear.
"Never saved to begin with"... when is it fair to make that assessment when someone backslides?
...having worked on the streets for the Sally Ann with all types, and I mean all types of very desperate people, and then seeing some come to Christ in humility and grow in faith for a long while, and then get pulled back to life on the streets, and when they go back even harder to recover typically, well I could never be the one to state they were never saved.
No one has the view of the totality of entire person's life from start to finish so it is a completely unfair assessment of one human to make of another based on someone having fallen into sin.
God takes care of His own one way or another ... scripture makes that clear.
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my very belief is a work He began in me -- He will complete it 
He constantly and personally reminds me of His faithfulness whenever i doubt
what i mean to get at is that it is blasphemy to say 'God cannot save me' -- it is a lie of Satan, that sin cannot be 'solved'
He constantly and personally reminds me of His faithfulness whenever i doubt
what i mean to get at is that it is blasphemy to say 'God cannot save me' -- it is a lie of Satan, that sin cannot be 'solved'
with man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible
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Actually, I focus on believing.
The saved person must continue in the believing he started out in to be saved when Jesus comes back.
You are confusing the works that believing invariably produces with the believing itself.
You're only able to see the works that faith produces as you trying to save yourself.
It's quite absurd.
The saved person must continue in the believing he started out in to be saved when Jesus comes back.
You are confusing the works that believing invariably produces with the believing itself.
You're only able to see the works that faith produces as you trying to save yourself.
It's quite absurd.
Your FALSE Theology CONTRADICTS these SCRIPTURES:
Ephesians 1:11-14 (HCSB)
11 We have also received an inheritance in Him, predestined according to the purpose of the One who works out everything in agreement with the decision of His will,
12 so that we who had already put our hope in the Messiah might bring praise to His glory.
13 When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him
[Long before you can do your first work, so Obedience is Part of your Agape Love, that you do after you are SAVED.],
you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.
14 He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (NJB)
8 Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
9 not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.
Ephesians 6:24 (HCSB)
24 Grace be with all who have undying love for our Lord Jesus Christ.
{No such thing as a born again Christian that can lose his or her SALVATION.}
Ephesians 1:6 (NRSV)
6 to the praise of his glorious grace that he freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.
Acts 15:11 (HCSB)
11 On the contrary, we believe we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way they are.”
Ephesians 2:4-5 (HCSB)
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love that He had for us,
5 made us alive with the Messiah even though we were dead in trespasses. You are saved by grace!
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
I have a LOT more OSAS Verses that I would like to share with you, but that is enough. Most of us here on this thread are OSAS BELIEVERS, who are quite capable OF DEFENDING OUR BELIEFS, with the SCRIPTURES TO PROVE IT. LYING about OSAS Beliefs or REPEATING RUMORS about OSAS only hurts your cause and makes you appear foolish.
What's so arrogant about being able to see how useless and illogical the argument is that you can only know what is permanent about salvation on the day you die?
What I know is a person can't possibly know what is permanent in a person's life until they die. And yet your osas uses permanence as the measure of whether someone is saved or not. That's worthless doctrine. How does that help anybody?
I agree.
The part that is stupid is saying you can't know if you are being preserved by God or not until you die.
That's a stupid, meaningless doctrine.
I'm not calling you stupid.
I'm calling Calvin's teachings surrounding God's power to preserve the believer stupid.
Calvin over-thought and complicated, and thus ruined, such a simple Biblical truth: You are residing in God's power of preservation as long as you are in the exact same believing you started out with when you first heard and accepted the gospel.
What I know is a person can't possibly know what is permanent in a person's life until they die. And yet your osas uses permanence as the measure of whether someone is saved or not. That's worthless doctrine. How does that help anybody?
I agree.
The part that is stupid is saying you can't know if you are being preserved by God or not until you die.
That's a stupid, meaningless doctrine.
I'm not calling you stupid.
I'm calling Calvin's teachings surrounding God's power to preserve the believer stupid.
Calvin over-thought and complicated, and thus ruined, such a simple Biblical truth: You are residing in God's power of preservation as long as you are in the exact same believing you started out with when you first heard and accepted the gospel.
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