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Life is the trial, we have mountain top moments and valley tribulations , we win we lose, this is applicable to all men.
For me to say for someone a babe in Christ, who is struggling, or whatever your vice is, they are not saved......is surely
high above any flesh and blood creatures vocation to call that shot.
No comment on God JUSTIFYING the righteous?
For me to say for someone a babe in Christ, who is struggling, or whatever your vice is, they are not saved......is surely
high above any flesh and blood creatures vocation to call that shot.
No comment on God JUSTIFYING the righteous?
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You using that word "Straw man"..I don't think you know what it means. A question is not "argument", straw man or otherwise - it's a question. OK? Please allow me to ask it again: You said opponents of OSAS appear weak and powerless.
OK, let me say this: We Conditional Salvationists embrace "I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me". Temptation assaults and it's so severe that you think you'll just DIE if you don't give in - and you men out there know EXACTLY what I'm talkin about - but the Voice of Truth reminds you Jesus is "a very present help in time of need", so you choose effectual prayer instead of sinful pleasure. Immediately, you feel a surge of power from on high and you rise up and fight and fight and resist and resist, until that bastard devil finally gives up and flees.
Now, I ask you, is it fair to characterize as "weak and powerless" the experience of one while under attack takes hold of Omnipotence and gains victory over sin, while claiming OSAS - the theological equivalent of a Special Snowflake Safe Space where "No Free Speech Zones" and coloring books are replaced with stopped ears and twisted Scripture - is the place where "more than conquerors" gather to swap war stories? Give me a break.
OK, let me say this: We Conditional Salvationists embrace "I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me". Temptation assaults and it's so severe that you think you'll just DIE if you don't give in - and you men out there know EXACTLY what I'm talkin about - but the Voice of Truth reminds you Jesus is "a very present help in time of need", so you choose effectual prayer instead of sinful pleasure. Immediately, you feel a surge of power from on high and you rise up and fight and fight and resist and resist, until that bastard devil finally gives up and flees.
Now, I ask you, is it fair to characterize as "weak and powerless" the experience of one while under attack takes hold of Omnipotence and gains victory over sin, while claiming OSAS - the theological equivalent of a Special Snowflake Safe Space where "No Free Speech Zones" and coloring books are replaced with stopped ears and twisted Scripture - is the place where "more than conquerors" gather to swap war stories? Give me a break.
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I'm happy you agree that Jesus meant what He said when He said, "Go and sin no more". So, if OSAS is correct, then why bother us with all the warnings and admonitions, if in the end, Jesus is gonna just flip a switch in our brain on Judgment Day and make us hate all the pride, booze, porn, etc. we just could not resist indulging the day before?
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Don't tell me.
Tell the church who now says you can remove the 'through faith' part and you are still saved no matter what.
You need to explain your old, obsolete version of osas to the multitude in the church who insist you don't have to continue in faith to continue to be saved. Their new osas has replaced your old osas.
No, the Galatians really were saved and then stopped having faith in Christ for justification.
Your obsolete version of osas says that can't happen to saved people.
Tell the church who now says you can remove the 'through faith' part and you are still saved no matter what.
You need to explain your old, obsolete version of osas to the multitude in the church who insist you don't have to continue in faith to continue to be saved. Their new osas has replaced your old osas.
No, the Galatians really were saved and then stopped having faith in Christ for justification.
Your obsolete version of osas says that can't happen to saved people.
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To which kind of sin do you refer?
The Just man who falls seven times and rises up again or the Presumptuous Man that climbs down and gets comfortable in the filth and swats away the Divine hand of help while claiming "more than conqueror"?
Please clarify...if you see no distinction, then I'd suggest further Bible study.
The Just man who falls seven times and rises up again or the Presumptuous Man that climbs down and gets comfortable in the filth and swats away the Divine hand of help while claiming "more than conqueror"?
Please clarify...if you see no distinction, then I'd suggest further Bible study.
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It takes a lot more than vanity to come against your false gospel.
A salvation that can be lost is no salvation.
It does not exist.
Saved is saved
I prefer to be vain, if in fact I were, but am not, than teach a dogma completely contrary to scripture which makes Jesus and His work meaningless and place oneself as saviour instead.
Face it for what it is..but then that would require being honest
A salvation that can be lost is no salvation.
It does not exist.
Saved is saved
I prefer to be vain, if in fact I were, but am not, than teach a dogma completely contrary to scripture which makes Jesus and His work meaningless and place oneself as saviour instead.
Face it for what it is..but then that would require being honest
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It takes a lot more than vanity to come against your false gospel.
A salvation that can be lost is no salvation.
It does not exist.
Saved is saved
I prefer to be vain, if in fact I were, but am not, than teach a dogma completely contrary to scripture which makes Jesus and His work meaningless and place oneself as saviour instead.
Face it for what it is..but then that would require being honest
A salvation that can be lost is no salvation.
It does not exist.
Saved is saved
I prefer to be vain, if in fact I were, but am not, than teach a dogma completely contrary to scripture which makes Jesus and His work meaningless and place oneself as saviour instead.
Face it for what it is..but then that would require being honest
What sin are you holding onto?
Never mind you already admitted to it, Vanity.
Look at me, look at me as I slap my head and roll my eyes.