The Age of the Universe

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Blik

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Four corners does not prove or say flat. But I see why you would think this. The Bible also calls the earth round, or a globe

science and scripture will agree, if not, one of them is wrong, or our view of what science or scripture says is wrong.
Please read what I write. I am not telling what I think, I am telling what, historically, people made of this bible verse. Honestly!! Is there the slightest doubt, today, in anyone's mind about what God meant by speaking of the 4 corners! It is an example of thinking a verse means something it does not mean, and I feel sure people are thinking about the scripture about the creation of our earth as dating the earth in our kinds of time in error of what those scriptures mean.
 

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Of course there was a massive extinction event and some very Earth changing events as the world in Noah's day was very different. It hadn't even rained ever before the flood. During this time there must of been some seismic activity as water rose up from beneath the crust (which is also scientifically proven)

It is also debated by what the word world meant because the ancients often spoke of localized or regional events in hyperbolic terms. One does not need to look too far for examples. Consider the following from the Old and New Testaments:

  1. Genesis 41:57 – And all the countries came to Egypt to buy grain from Joseph, because the famine was severe in all the world.”
  2. 1 Kings 10:24 – “The whole world sought audience with Solomon to hear the wisdom God had put in his heart.”
  3. Luke 2:1 – “In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire world.”
  4. John 12:19 – “So the pharisees said to one another, ‘See, this is getting us nowhere. Look how the whole world has gone after him!”
  5. Acts 2:5 – “Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.”
  6. Romans 1:8 – “First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world.”
  7. Colossians 1:6 – “All over the world this gospel is beairng fruit and growing, just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and understood God’s grace in all its truth.”
The ancient Hebrews did not think of “the world” as being a spherical globe, as one would today. Rather, to say that God had “flooded the world” would be simply to say that God had “flooded the known world” or “the land”. Indeed, 2 Peter 3:6 reports that, “By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/evidence-for-a-flood-102813115
You do not believe the whole earth was under water Noah's Flood ?
 
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The Bible also calls the earth round, or a globe
The reference is more often the orbit of the Earth and the Cycles of life.

"The Tigris runs to Assyria, the Euphrates to Armenia, the Pishon to Havilah or Elam, and the Gihon to Ethiopia. In Mesopotamian cosmology, four rivers flowing out of the garden of creation, which is the center of the world, define the four corners of the world".
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East and West is a direction. There is a North & South Pole so that is an actual place.
 
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ou do not believe the whole earth was under water Noah's Flood ?
If the earth was ever under water, the water was frozen. I live in an area where there is 15 feet of muck that the glaciers left behind when they melted. I take photographs when they are working on the expressway or working on a bridge.
 
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Where is the evening morning on the 7th day? It isnt there as in we are still in the 7th day.
Why would it have to be there?


Exodus 20:11-12
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. 12. Six days you shall do your work, and on the seventh day you shall rest, that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your female servant and the stranger may be refreshed.

its all right there written by the same author, the 7th day God rested, and likewise, the 7th day is the sabbath, where no one was to work they were to rest, until the 1st day where they would start working for 6 days again.

yes, we are in rest today and forever in a spiritual sabbath. But that has no bearing on what moses meant when he said on the 7th day God rested,
 
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This is always fun to see how creation will always have the fingerprints of its creator hidden all throughout the creation.

But the most wonderful, evident, and historical truth of all is the life of Jesus Christ. Rather it be 12 hours, 24 hours, or a long period of time, we are called while it is still today to put our faith in Jesus Christ who repairs our broken state rich in sin, and replaces it with redemption, sanctification, and glorification.
We also see his great power, if he can do that in 6 days, what can he not do? it should give us peace
 
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Please read what I write. I am not telling what I think, I am telling what, historically, people made of this bible verse. Honestly!! Is there the slightest doubt, today, in anyone's mind about what God meant by speaking of the 4 corners! It is an example of thinking a verse means something it does not mean, and I feel sure people are thinking about the scripture about the creation of our earth as dating the earth in our kinds of time in error of what those scriptures mean.
Isaiah 40:22 [Full Chapter]
It is He who sits above the circle (sphere) of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
 
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If the earth was ever under water, the water was frozen. I live in an area where there is 15 feet of muck that the glaciers left behind when they melted. I take photographs when they are working on the expressway or working on a bridge.
That may or may not be true, don’t take today’s things and think it always was the way, Peter warned us in the last days men would do this to their own shame.

a flash flood which takes 40 days added with the catastrophic events of the earths crust breaking up, would occur so fast, it would actually heat the earth

now because of the earth being flooded, the temperatures, because there is no land to radiate the suns warmth.would then fall. the ending result would be an ice age,
 
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don’t take today’s things and think it always was the way
I have studied Ancient History for over 50 years now. The best selling book "Paradigm" does explain how the past can play itself out in the present. Even our Bible is filled with stories of people in the past that have had visions of the future. Some people believe the future has more impact on the present then the past does.
 

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If the earth was ever under water, the water was frozen. I live in an area where there is 15 feet of muck that the glaciers left behind when they melted. I take photographs when they are working on the expressway or working on a bridge.
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You give me a book with blank pages. I want to know the words He spoke.
well lets see

He said let there be light and there was light

I have studied Ancient History for over 50 years now. The best selling book "Paradigm" does explain how the past can play itself out in the present. Even our Bible is filled with stories of people in the past that have had visions of the future. Some people believe the future has more impact on the present then the past does.
2 Peter 3:3-4
3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”
 

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You do not believe the whole earth was under water Noah's Flood ?
It could of been or the known world, understanding cultural history and language helps to interpret scriptures that are connected to ancient history. Good evidence for both beliefs. Either one doesn't change anything. Weigh the evidence. Either one could be true and it wouldn't bother me.
 

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Why would it have to be there?


Exodus 20:11-12
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. 12. Six days you shall do your work, and on the seventh day you shall rest, that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your female servant and the stranger may be refreshed.

its all right there written by the same author, the 7th day God rested, and likewise, the 7th day is the sabbath, where no one was to work they were to rest, until the 1st day where they would start working for 6 days again.

yes, we are in rest today and forever in a spiritual sabbath. But that has no bearing on what moses meant when he said on the 7th day God rested,
I get it. It is hard to understand at first because God's time is quite different but that's okay, we will find out one day.
 

bojack

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It could of been or the known world, understanding cultural history and language helps to interpret scriptures that are connected to ancient history. Good evidence for both beliefs. Either one doesn't change anything. Weigh the evidence. Either one could be true and it wouldn't bother me.
What did God say and who are you to question Him ?
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Yes! 'And the very important thing we are to know, besides that if science gets it right they find out how God did what he did, and we know if science finds something that corrects how we read scripture, we are to know scripture tells it correctly. We sometimes come to the wrong conclusions about that scripture is saying like we did about scripture saying the world was flat because it spoke of the four corners of the earth.

Scripture and the dates of fossils could work together.

And it is important to understand the first day of creation when God explained what he did that first day as bringing owr. In Ancient Hebrew that word has much the same meaning as the Hebrew word shalom. We have no English word that means the same, it takes many english words like peace, harmony, goodness, etc.
Four corners. North, South, East, West, True then. True now.

We still say "sunset" & "sunrise". All the time knowing it's the rotation of the earth causing the appearance of a moving sun.
We haven't altered our language. Sunset still means the same thing it always did.
 
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Four corners. North, South, East, West, True then. True now.

We still say "sunset" & "sunrise". All the time knowing it's the rotation of the earth causing the appearance of a moving sun.
We haven't altered our language. Sunset still means the same thing it always did.
Well everyone wants to be a stickler about 6 24hr days, scripture says the sun knows when to set and not the earth knows when to rotate and the moon is for seasons. you can’t alter language of the Bible.

Psalm 104
19He made the moon to mark the seasons; the sun knows when to set.

No where in scripture says the earth rotates
 
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I get it. It is hard to understand at first because God's time is quite different but that's okay, we will find out one day.
Hard to understand?
I do not see that. I see it as easy. As God told Moses in 6 days I created on the 7th I rested as such. You and al Israelnare to rest on the 7th day

There is no way in this context we can make the 7th day be anything more than a literal day
if you try to make it do that’s that would be why it is hard to understand