End Times Timeline
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I'm just regurgitating what the bible says. Jesus told the high priest that he would see Jesus coming in the clouds... so unless Jesus is making a stop over in hell at the same time he comes again, then it already happened.
Here's another one for you.
Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Jesus, speaking to twelve disciples said, you twelve will not have gone to all the cities of Israel BEFORE the Son of man comes. There's only one event that Jesus could be referring to and that's his resurection and the resurrection of the Old Testament saints along with him.
Here's another one for you.
Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Jesus, speaking to twelve disciples said, you twelve will not have gone to all the cities of Israel BEFORE the Son of man comes. There's only one event that Jesus could be referring to and that's his resurection and the resurrection of the Old Testament saints along with him.
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The temple lost all its unseen understanding of faith as a abomination when he said; It is finished . It could no more deceive the nations. The veil rent was all that was needed to show. stones laying around 70 years added not age to the timing. There are some today that do not recognize the torn veil that cry out to a remnant of lifeless stones. . the abomination of desolation .
Everything is not totally sequential, but from verse 15 onwards we see the future events until the Second Coming of Christ (to verse 31). The Great Tribulation is a totally unique event, and the shaking of the heavens and the earth (which follow immediately) are yet to come.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall [1] the sun be darkened, and [2] the moon shall not give her light, and [3] the stars shall fall from heaven, and [4] the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (verse 29)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall [1] the sun be darkened, and [2] the moon shall not give her light, and [3] the stars shall fall from heaven, and [4] the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (verse 29)
I get what you are saying. Consider this: I made a post showing how "the 144,000" are "firstfruit" of the "WHEAT harvest" (the SECOND of TWO mentions of "firstfruit" in Leviticus 23... this one being in v.17).
This then would go into the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period I mentioned in my first post in this thread; where I am endeavoring to show that the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period is kicked off by:
-- the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3]" which is parallel (equal to) SEAL #1 (Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ['a certain one' bringing deception]"), which is also the ARRIVAL of "the Day of the Lord" time-period Paul covers in 1 and 2Th... and the SEQUENCE issues in BOTH of those passages are the same: our Rapture PRECEDES "the ARRIVAL of "the DOTL" time period (with its "man of sin" [and ALL he will do] and its "judgments" unfolding).
My thought is, that your view makes "the 144,000" to have existed in the first century (I'm guessing "symbolically" somehow); but this seems to disregard the SEQUENCE issues shown to exist between the Olivet Discourse texts:
Do you agree that Matt24:4-8 EQUALS Mk13:5-8 EQUALS Lk21:8-11, and then that v.12 says, "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE" (but BEFORE all these BEGINNING of birth PANGS, just listed) that the 70ad events of vv.12-24a MUST take place??
This means that the BoBPs come AFTER the 70ad events. How is that explained in your view??
This then would go into the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period I mentioned in my first post in this thread; where I am endeavoring to show that the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period is kicked off by:
-- the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3]" which is parallel (equal to) SEAL #1 (Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ['a certain one' bringing deception]"), which is also the ARRIVAL of "the Day of the Lord" time-period Paul covers in 1 and 2Th... and the SEQUENCE issues in BOTH of those passages are the same: our Rapture PRECEDES "the ARRIVAL of "the DOTL" time period (with its "man of sin" [and ALL he will do] and its "judgments" unfolding).
My thought is, that your view makes "the 144,000" to have existed in the first century (I'm guessing "symbolically" somehow); but this seems to disregard the SEQUENCE issues shown to exist between the Olivet Discourse texts:
Do you agree that Matt24:4-8 EQUALS Mk13:5-8 EQUALS Lk21:8-11, and then that v.12 says, "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE" (but BEFORE all these BEGINNING of birth PANGS, just listed) that the 70ad events of vv.12-24a MUST take place??
This means that the BoBPs come AFTER the 70ad events. How is that explained in your view??
My bad, I thought you had the second coming after the 1000 year reign in your timeline.
(Amo 8:2) And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.
When does Amos 8:2 take place in your opinion?
(Amo 8:2) And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.
When does Amos 8:2 take place in your opinion?
Maybe it would be beneficial for everyone to display a timeline. Here's the way I see it. Then we can discuss the Scripture references for each. Yes?
1. The gathering up of the Church, the body of Christ (fullness of the Gentiles be come in)
2. 7 years tribulation, Jacob's trouble, Daniel's 70th week
3. The second coming of Christ as Judge and King of the earth for 1,000 years
4. Battle of Meggido
5. GWTJ
6 New heavens and new earth
1. The gathering up of the Church, the body of Christ (fullness of the Gentiles be come in)
2. 7 years tribulation, Jacob's trouble, Daniel's 70th week
3. The second coming of Christ as Judge and King of the earth for 1,000 years
4. Battle of Meggido
5. GWTJ
6 New heavens and new earth
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Does Matthew 24 Recapitulate?
First division from the time spoken until end of world 1-14
Second division. The Great Tribulation, Jerusalem’s destruction fulfilled in 70 AD. Matthew 24:15–22
Third division; After Jerusalem's destruction (Jewish Great Tribulation). Christian focus continues. Christian Tribulation until the end. Matthew 24:23–28
Fourth division; Earth's final days 29-51
This is also seen in the Mark 13 and Luke 17 parallel accounts.
First division from the time spoken until end of world 1-14
Second division. The Great Tribulation, Jerusalem’s destruction fulfilled in 70 AD. Matthew 24:15–22
Third division; After Jerusalem's destruction (Jewish Great Tribulation). Christian focus continues. Christian Tribulation until the end. Matthew 24:23–28
Fourth division; Earth's final days 29-51
This is also seen in the Mark 13 and Luke 17 parallel accounts.
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His Second Coming (to the earth) is Rev19, which is parallel (time-wise) with the FIRST of the TWO "PUNISH" words in Isa24:21-22[23].
The SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words (following the TIME-PERIOD Isaiah 24 said would FOLLOW the FIRST "PUNISH" word [of TWO]) aligns with the LATER "GWTj" (which is NOT defined as "His Second Coming [to the earth]").
SO... I'm saying that "the end of the trib" IS "His Second Coming [to the earth]" and that is FOLLOWED by "a time-period" before the LATER GWTj takes place. (You are conflating two distinct points of time)
The SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words (following the TIME-PERIOD Isaiah 24 said would FOLLOW the FIRST "PUNISH" word [of TWO]) aligns with the LATER "GWTj" (which is NOT defined as "His Second Coming [to the earth]").
SO... I'm saying that "the end of the trib" IS "His Second Coming [to the earth]" and that is FOLLOWED by "a time-period" before the LATER GWTj takes place. (You are conflating two distinct points of time)