End Times Timeline

[OneOfHis]

I am only commenting for now so I get notifications , I pray that this thread will remain peaceful , in Jesus name Amen...
...xox...

It is definitely interesting, I've said my bit and also will keep checking in...

I'm curious what others think

 

[KJV1611]

Has this happened?

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


His second coming is when he comes to earth and reigns for 1,000 years.

I can't do multiple quotes John...

So question 1, do I believe The Son of man has already came with clouds of heaven... yes I do. And, Jesus told the high priest that HE, HIMSELF would Christ coming in the clouds.

Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

How can i not believe that it's already happened when the bible says it has?

 

[garee]

I believe "the desolate" and "the one who makes desolate" (in verse 27) are both in the singular... for what it's worth. Take from that what you will.

Yes they make things unseen things of God's glory desolate by putting the things seen in its place.

Peter is shown performing that kind of idea making the holy unseen place of God desolate .. . Jesus said to Peter get behind me Satan you have the things of men in mind and not the unsen eternal things of God.

He forgave Peter of blasphemy but rebuked Satan by saying get behind Him not Peter's back up . Peter stands behind also.

learn what the "things of men" means compared to the 'things of God. It where Satan can get a foothold.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the "things that be of God", but "those that be of men". Mathew 16:22-23

 

[KJV1611]

Has this happened?

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


His second coming is when he comes to earth and reigns for 1,000 years.

Second part. If Jesus doesn't return until his second coming, and it's after the 1000 year reign, then you have to believe that Christ returns TWICE.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Jesus cursed Israel and left them desolate, why wouldn't that be exactly who Daniel 9 is talking about?

Because the wrath of god is not against Israel it’s against the beast and His followers
plus
It says your house. The temple is there house that is left desolate but againm
Gods wrath is not against it

 

[KJV1611]

lol fair enough... i cant say i agree but ill be happy to give you a hug and my first "told ya so" in heaven

Thank you for your kindness!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No absolutely... it was my mistake... i thought you called eg the antichrist🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

I am sure many think this lol

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, "house" is usually a term designated to Israel.

Your house
usually designated to the land or temple

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

What did Jesus say ?

I just showed you.

The "ALL" ("till ALL be fulfilled") of v.32 MUST INCLUDE (what v.24 had just spoken of):

--"and they shall be led away captive into all the nations"; AND

--"and Jerusalem shall be trodden down [same words as in Rev11:2] of the Gentiles, UNTIL the TIMES of the Gentiles be fulfilled"

[the TIMES of the Gentiles having STARTED in 606/605bc, represents "Gentile domination over Israel," think: Neb's "dream/statue/image" with Neb as "head of gold"]


BOTH of these (in v.24) MUST be included in v.32's "ALL" ("till ALL be fulfilled").

Prove to me that Jesus did not say that.



This then takes us back to examine, and find, that Matt24:4-8 EQUALS Mk13:5-8 EQUALS Lk21:8-11 ("the beginning of birth PANGS"), and that Lk21:12 tells us that "but BEFORE ALL THESE things" (i.e. "BEFORE all the BEGINNING of birth pangs" just mentioned) the "70ad events" of vv.12-24a must take place

(whereas in Matt24/Mk13, the beginning of birth pangs PRECEDE the "AOD" point in time/"SEE then FLEE" issue [a DISTINCT one]... I won't go into all that here, though... other than to say, the CHRONOLOGY is provided, but ppl tend to blur distinct things into ONE, when they are not the same!)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Do you think that God didn't pour out his wrath on the Jews in AD 70?

God did what he said he would do
but the wrath is supposed to bring about Jacobs repentance. So it’s not on her (see Jacobs trouble)

 

[KJV1611]

Because the wrath of god is not against Israel it’s against the beast and His followers
plus
It says your house. The temple is there house that is left desolate but againm
Gods wrath is not against it

It's talking about the house of Israel as in a group of people, not a physical building. God poured out his wrath on the Jews and the temple in AD 70, did he not?

 

[Rosemaryx]

I can't do multiple quotes John...

So question 1, do I believe The Son of man has already came with clouds of heaven... yes I do. And, Jesus told the high priest that HE, HIMSELF would Christ coming in the clouds.

Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

How can i not believe that it's already happened when the bible says it has?

Would that not make Jesus coming back twice in the clouds , returning twice?...
I know when Stephen was stoned , he saw Jesus when the heavens opened up before him as Stephan died...
...xox...

 

[OneOfHis]

It's talking about the house of Israel as in a group of people, not a physical building. God poured out his wrath on the Jews and the temple in AD 70, did he not?

Not in how it is described in revelation.😅

Who do you believe the second beast with the horns of the lamb is?

A group of people?

If so I would disagree with the separation between the antichrist and the many anti christs.

 

[KJV1611]

Would that not make Jesus coming back twice in the clouds , returning twice?...
I know when Stephen was stoned , he saw Jesus when the heavens opened up before him as Stephan died...
...xox...

Where is the second return in the clouds? I'm asking because I don't know of two comings in the clouds.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

How can i not believe that it's already happened when the bible says it has?

Hear @KJV1611
Are you saying that Jesus has already come in the clouds?...

 

[tourist]

When do the verses above take place, during the tribulation or at the 2nd coming of Christ or some other time?

The events in these verses start to take place at the start of the tribulation.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Second part. If Jesus doesn't return until his second coming, and it's after the 1000 year reign, then you have to believe that Christ returns TWICE.

His "RETURN" (what is called "His Second Coming" to the earth) is at:

Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5

and that ^ is parallel with the FIRST of TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22[23], which is followed by a TIME-PERIOD (in that Isaiah text) before the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words (of that text) is then carried out.

This means that Revelation and Isaiah 24 both AGREE that there is a "time-period" which FOLLOWS His Second Coming to the earth point-in-time (Rev19), and intervening BETWEEN the LATER GWTj point-in-time (Rev20:11-15).

(This doesn't make Him "RETURN" to the earth twice.)

It (this SEQUENCE) agrees with many other passages, I won't go into here in this post.



[IOW, you are mis-labeling and mis-defining the phrase "His Second Coming" which is also "His RETURN" to the earth, in Rev19--a time-period FOLLOWS this]

 

[KJV1611]

God did what he said he would do
but the wrath is supposed to bring about Jacobs repentance. So it’s not on her (see Jacobs trouble)

I know you can't see this, but the purpose of Jacobs trouble was to separate the wheat from the chaff. The wheat, Christ gathered into his barn, the church. The chaff, he burnt in the fire of AD 70.

The WHOLE end times scenario in the bible is about the END OF ISRAEL, not the end of this planet. The kingdom was TAKEN from the Jews and given to Heavenly Jerusalem, a people made up of all races including Jews.

(Amo 8:2) And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

There are no if's, and's, or but's about it. God CLEARLY says in Amos that he is done with the nation of Israel and will NEVER PASS BY THEM AGAIN.

All of that happened during the time of Jacob's trouble when SUMMER came and the SUMMER FRUIT was gathered.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I would agree except for when it began, when Christ said "it is finished". The time of reformation had come a tribulation like never before until that time this time in Matthew 24:21and never again .

A religion losing its temporal face. Which was to turn?

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Daniel 12 King James Version (KJV) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

The graves were open as the propmised glory that would follow after our suffering savior before hand. We look back the beginning of the great tribulation. Still performing its work as the letter of the law . . the school master .

1 Peter1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

This is off context
daniel the desolation and wars occurs after the temple is deatroyed. Not after Jesus said it is finished

 

[KJV1611]

Not in how it is described in revelation.😅

Who do you believe the second beast with the horns of the lamb is?

A group of people?

If so I would disagree with the separation between the antichrist and the many anti christs.

I don't know who any of the beasts are. Maybe the first one was the Jews and the second is the Catholic church, not saying that's so. I have never really delved into the beasts that much, there are too many other things in the bible that are crystal clear to help me learn more.

I don't believe in a man called "The Antichrist", it's nowhere to be found in the bible. Is the man of sin, the son of perdition the antichrist... I don't know, there's not enough evidence to conclude one way or another in my opinion.