Can One’s Salvation Be Given Up?

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Aerials1978

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Thank you! So most these guys were of a reformed theology and dispensationalism. Why didn’t you just say you are of that?
 

John146

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Thank you! So most these guys were of a reformed theology and dispensationalism. Why didn’t you just say you are of that?
The opposite of reformed theology. That’s heresy in my book.

They are KJV only, dispensation believing and rightly dividing preachers.
 

John146

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Easy.
You reject the things that don't line up with your doctrine.
Lol, do you turn the other cheek or do you believe in self defense? Is your salvation at stake for calling someone a fool?
 
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Is not the gospel that Paul taught, how Christ died for our sins, was buried and resurrected on the third day? Did the disciples understand this message before the cross?
I will not beat this dead horse with you....we have had this dance...JESUS was clear....in the VOLUME of the book it is written of ME and search the scriptures, they are they which TESTIFY OF MEN....and he went ON to rake Nicodemus over the coals for being a MASTER and NOT understanding the discourse of JOHN chapter three.....

David speaks to grace and mercy, JOB understood the resurrection and even EVE/Abel comprehended the context of GENESIS 3:15......

Take it up with GOD......the bible is clear.....the OT is full of pictures, types and paintings of what would happen in the NEW and JESUS proves this by his word to Nicodemus.....

HOW IS IT that you being a MASTER do NO understand these THINGS.....
 

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The opposite of reformed theology. That’s heresy in my book.

They are KJV only, dispensation believing and rightly dividing preachers.
John MacArthur gave the best response in my opinion with regards to the position of dispensationalism as it stands now. I can give the link. As for my own view, I do not believe there are two different forms of salvation for Jews and Gentiles. Scripture in no way indicates that.
 
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So Les Feldick taught a reformed theology. Why was he right and 2000 years of church history and teaching are wrong?
The term reformed means different things to different people. How do you define that term for yourself?
 

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The term reformed means different things to different people. How do you define that term for yourself?
It depends. Which part of the Bible is being reformed and why. I will tell you that I don’t in anyway give credence with dispensationalism
 
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It depends. Which part of the Bible is being reformed and why. I will tell you that I don’t in anyway give credence with dispensationalism
Are you talking about reformed as in reformed baptist, or TULIP?

If so, then Les Feldick is definitely not reformed.
 
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It depends. Which part of the Bible is being reformed and why. I will tell you that I don’t in anyway give credence with dispensationalism
If you no longer sacrifice a lamb now for your sins, but you recognize that there was a time when it was required of all believers, you are subscribing to dispensationalism without realizing it.
 

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Are you talking about reformed as in reformed baptist, or TULIP?

If so, then Les Feldick is definitely not reformed.
I would have to know more about him before I can give an honesty answer.
 

John146

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I will not beat this dead horse with you....we have had this dance...JESUS was clear....in the VOLUME of the book it is written of ME and search the scriptures, they are they which TESTIFY OF MEN....and he went ON to rake Nicodemus over the coals for being a MASTER and NOT understanding the discourse of JOHN chapter three.....

David speaks to grace and mercy, JOB understood the resurrection and even EVE/Abel comprehended the context of GENESIS 3:15......

Take it up with GOD......the bible is clear.....the OT is full of pictures, types and paintings of what would happen in the NEW and JESUS proves this by his word to Nicodemus.....

HOW IS IT that you being a MASTER do NO understand these THINGS.....
The disciples didn’t understand the death and resurrection of Christ? Huh...

Luke 18
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

The disciples thought the resurrection was an idle tale?

Luke 24
7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
8 And they remembered his words,
9 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
10 It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.

Can you imagine a preacher today not knowing what the rising of the dead should mean?

Mark 9
9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.

Should I continue?
 
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I would have to know more about him before I can give an honesty answer.
But I am asking you what do you understand for yourself, the term reformed? What does that term means to you?
 

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John MacArthur gave the best response in my opinion with regards to the position of dispensationalism as it stands now. I can give the link. As for my own view, I do not believe there are two different forms of salvation for Jews and Gentiles. Scripture in no way indicates that.
John MacArthur? The tulip lover?
 

Aerials1978

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But I am asking you what do you understand for yourself, the term reformed? What does that term means to you?
Reformed by definition means to change something for the better. There are a lot of reformed denominations.
 

John146

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John MacArthur gave the best response in my opinion with regards to the position of dispensationalism as it stands now. I can give the link. As for my own view, I do not believe there are two different forms of salvation for Jews and Gentiles. Scripture in no way indicates that.
The gospel of the kingdom did not concern eternal salvation, but a physical deliverance of Israel from their enemies with the restoration of the kingdom of Israel.