The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine

[pottersclay]

What was your point?

David's days were fulfilled... Jesus days were cut short

 

[pottersclay]

Your kingdom come your will be done on Earth as it is in heaven.

 

[Dave-L]

Your kingdom come your will be done on Earth as it is in heaven.

But, the kingdom is spiritual and developed as Jesus preached it into existence. The problem is, only the born again can see it.

 

[Melach]

God’s Covenant with David
(1 Chronicles 17:1-15)

1After the king had settled into his palace and the LORD had given him rest from all his enemies around him, 2he said to Nathan the prophet, “Here I am, living in a house of cedar, while the ark of God remains in a tent.”

3And Nathan replied to the king, “Go and do all that is in your heart, for the LORD is with you.”

4But that night the word of the LORD came to Nathan, saying, 5“Go and tell My servant David that this is what the LORD says: Are you the one to build for Me a house to dwell in? 6For I have not dwelt in a house from the day I brought the Israelites out of Egypt until this day, but I have moved about with a tent as My dwelling. 7In all My journeys with all the Israelites, have I ever asked any of the leadersa I appointed to shepherd My people Israel, ‘Why haven’t you built Me a house of cedar?’

8Now then, you are to tell My servant David that this is what the LORD of Hosts says: I took you from the pasture, from following the flock, to be the ruler over My people Israel. 9I have been with you wherever you have gone, and I have cut off all your enemies from before you. Now I will make for you a name like the greatest in the land.

10And I will provide a place for My people Israel and will plant them so that they may dwell in a place of their own and be disturbed no more. No longer will the sons of wickedness oppress them as they did at the beginning 11and have done since the day I appointed judges over My people Israel. I will give you rest from all your enemies.

The LORD declares to you that He Himself will establish a house for you. 12And when your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring after you, who will come from your own body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13He will build a house for My Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14I will be his Father, and he will be My son.b When he does wrong, I will discipline him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men.

15But My loving devotion will never be removed from him as I removed it from Saul, whom I moved out of your way. 16Your house and kingdom will endure forever before Me,c and your throne will be established forever.”

17So Nathan relayed to David all the words of this entire vision.

im reading that and i think that its talking about Jesus when it says establish the throne of his kingdom forever. then i notice its not talking about Jesus but probably salomon since it says in the next verse "when he does wrong i will discipline him" cant be about Jesus there. Jesus doesnt do wrong.

 

[crossnote]

Agreed, writings such as:

The wolf will live with the lamb,

and the leopard will lie down with the goat;

the calf and young lion and fatling will be together,

and a little child will lead them.

The cow will graze with the bear,

their young will lie down together,

and the lion will eat straw like the ox.

The infant will play by the cobra’s den,

and the toddler will reach into the viper’s nest.

They will neither harm nor destroy

on all My holy mountain,

for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD

as the sea is full of water.

=============================================

Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed.

All of the above are characteristics of the millennial kingdom.

Yes too many hang their hats on Rev 20 which mainly gives the duration.
Here is a sample chart which gives descriptions of the Millennium through oodles of OT prophecies...
https://www.biblestudytools.com/com...topics/summary-of-the-millennial-kingdom.html

 

[TooFastTurtle]

But this is the New Heavens and Earth. If not, all you have in the millennium are resurrected saints for Satan to deceive and war against each other when the 1000 years end.

You are mistaken in your view of the end times if this is what you believe.

You are misrepresenting the premillennial position, no one in the premillennial camp (post-trib or pre-trib) believes that resurrected saints will be deceived by satan after the millennium.
Rather what we believe is that the people who are living on earth during that time in non-glorified bodies are the ones satan deceives.

 

[Jackson123]

It's an overview of the New Covenant era including the Judgement and its effects.

What do you mean by new era? Are we in new era now?
So you believe It is happening now?

 

[notuptome]

Jesus his kingdom is not of this world (age). And it only mentions 2 worlds (ages). This evil one and the eternal kingdom to come.

The Jews denied Jesus because He came as a suffering Savior and not as the expected conquering King they hoped would save them from the Romans. The Jews want God to restore to them the land promised to Abraham and Jacob. They are not yet looking to the kingdom of God in heaven.

The Jews of Jesus day are like the prosperity Christians of today. They want material things and an easy life. Christians are promised to suffer for Christ because He suffered for them. The Jew has not yet seen the Messiah who alone can atone for their sins. They cling to the false idea that they can impress God with how they keep the law. The same law that was given to them to show them how they cannot be righteous by God's measure.

Christians labor not for the things which perish the things of this world but for things laid up in heaven where they can never rust or corrupt.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[iamsoandso]

I reread it to be honest, can not determine what he is arguing, he seems vague.

I agree he begins in the OP and thinks it is from the Pharisees but quotes books from before the NT Pharisees and so nullifies his own self.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Could you be wrong in your interpretation?

Since "a thousand years" or "one thousand years" occurs six times in seven verses, the Millennium is a Bible FACT.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is just a statement of your positon Dave-L ... You want others to back up their statements with scripture right?? Sooo??

he is one of those do as I say whether I do it or not types

 

[Aerials1978]

The book of Revelation has been debated and analyzed probably more than any other scripture due to its eschatology. Some Christians view it as allegorical while others view it as literal. I fall somewhere in between.

With regards to the Millennial Kingdom, I fall on the side of literal. It’s just too descriptive and alines with OT prophecies. I have yet to hear an argument that really refutes this.

 

[Jackson123]

Jesus his kingdom is not of this world (age). And it only mentions 2 worlds (ages). This evil one and the eternal kingdom to come.

So you believe 1000 years kingdom is not oN earth?

 

[Dave-L]

So you believe 1000 years kingdom is not oN earth?

The 1000 years is not the Kingdom. When the 1000 years end, Satan attacks the kingdom.

 

[Dave-L]

Since "a thousand years" or "one thousand years" occurs six times in seven verses, the Millennium is a Bible FACT.

God owns the cattle on a thousand hills too. Is he a tenant farmer?

 

[Ahwatukee]

You are forcing a view on Revelation Jesus refuted many times in the gospels.

I'm doing no such thing!

In the very first verse in the book of Revelation, it is stated that God gave it to Jesus, who sent His angel to show us the things which must take place in quickness. Jesus does not refute His own word. Anyone who claims so has either been deceived by false teachings or is just misinterpreting scripture.

Please provide us with where Jesus refutes the reality of the millennial kingdom or any of the information in the book of Revelation.

 

[Dave-L]

What do you mean by new era? Are we in new era now?
So you believe It is happening now?

Unless a person is born again they cannot see the kingdom. Most cannot see it giving rise to physical concepts.

 

[Dave-L]

You are mistaken in your view of the end times if this is what you believe.

You are misrepresenting the premillennial position, no one in the premillennial camp (post-trib or pre-trib) believes that resurrected saints will be deceived by satan after the millennium.
Rather what we believe is that the people who are living on earth during that time in non-glorified bodies are the ones satan deceives.

The Pharisees were millennialists and Jesus proved them wrong every time he spoke of the kingdom.

 

[Dave-L]

I'm doing no such thing!

In the very first verse in the book of Revelation, it is stated that God gave it to Jesus, who sent His angel to show us the things which must take place in quickness. Jesus does not refute His own word. Anyone who claims so has either been deceived by false teachings or is just misinterpreting scripture.

Please provide us with where Jesus refutes the reality of the millennial kingdom or any of the information in the book of Revelation.

Here's a challenge. Find one verse in the gospels where Jesus teaches a physical kingdom.

 

[TooFastTurtle]

The Pharisees were millennialists and Jesus proved them wrong every time he spoke of the kingdom.

Jesus and the Pharisees never had a conversation about a "Millennium"

The millennium is by no means a Pharisee doctrine, it is found in Revelation 20, you are free to argue with John the Apostle if you so please.