Why pastors and preachers should not be receiving salaries

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jb

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Dino246 said:
Many of the richest pastors made their riches on books, not salaries.
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At the end of the day, this is still making money out of religion, and certainly is NOT the spirit in which the Lord Jesus and the apostles preached/taught the Gospel! Matt 10v6, Acts 3v6, 20v33, 2Cor 8v9.

Nowhere do I read in the Scriptures that the Lord Jesus, after He preached the Sermon on the Mount, that He wrote a book on it and sold it, or that Paul, Peter, James, Jude or John after God the Holy Spirit inspired their epistles/gospels published them with a view to making money!

It was money, wealth and riches that destroyed the Laodicean Church (Rev 3v17) and the same has destroyed many churches in the West and around the world today...It's long past the time that the Church got back to the spirit/principles/practices of the early Church, and earnestly seek God for His plans and power to fulfil those plans. Acts 2v40-47, 4v29-31.
 
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Enxu said:
But people who long to be rich fall into temptation and are trapped by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the true faith
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I guess you're not understanding what I said.
Some people have higher paying skills than others.
That doesn't mean they love money and are longing for riches.
It just means they make more in 40 hrs. than other people because their skills are worth more.
 
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Enxu said:
There is a difference between 1) actively pursuing wealth from a heart of greed and 2) gaining wealth from honest labor without setting their minds on being rich.
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Yep, that's what I was saying. We shouldn't judge people just because they have wealth. Pastor's included. Though I admit it doesn't look good when pastors are rich.
 
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Enxu said:
You are as ignorant as unbelievers. , this entire thread is against the love of money. How is it fair salary when preachers are getting MILLIONS from preaching?

And what about people blaspheming the truth? Should teachers of the Gospel act in a way to give unbelievers a reason to reject the Gospel? No!

Pastors shouldn't be asking for money so unbelievers don't slander the Gospel and call Christians conmen because of them! Believers should help support pastors on their own out of their love, not because the Pastors asked for it!
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The title of the thread conradicts what you said above.....I smell your pants on fire.......So which is it genius

Why pastors and preachers should not be receiving salaries

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I never said pastors should not be supported by the church
 
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Enxu

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Dino246 said:
Even if preachers in past generations turned preaching into a job, it is not a secular job.

Congregations turned preaching into a job by demanding that a single person do the bulk of it (which is not scripturally sound) and by directing funds to pay the preacher instead of providing directly for the preacher's needs (about which Scripture says nothing). A preacher asking for money for covering church expenses is perfectly reasonable, though it is better that the asking be done by another elder.

Paul waived his right to be supported by the congregations he taught. Consider that statement carefully; he had the right to be supported by them! So do modern preachers; it is biblically sound for one who preaches the gospel to make a living from the gospel.

The logical contradiction is yours; you reject the idea that people who work should be supported through that work. Do YOU work for free?
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Paul’s right to be supported is limited to his basic needs and anything he needs to travel to preach the Gospel. He was well content with just food and clothing, as he wrote to Timothy, unlike preachers today who get salaries way above what they need to get basic needs met.

The logical contradiction is yours because you don’t even agree with what Jesus said about freely giving what you freely received. Are you for or against Jesus, ask yourself.
 
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Enxu

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Nehemiah6 said:
Provided he labors in the Word and doctrine.

However, the OP is addressing the issue of preachers getting wealthy off preaching, without necessarily doing what they are called to do, and going well beyond double honor. He makes a good point.
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This is a perverse generation. It is no surprise why Christendom is rife with false teachings and cults, all for the pursuit of wealth by godless men who claim to represent Christ.
 
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Enxu

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dcontroversal said:
The title of the thread conradicts what you said above.....I smell your pants on fire.......So which is it genius

Why pastors and preachers should not be receiving salaries

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I never said pastors should not be supported by the church
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Receiving salaries is totally different from being supported by the church for BASIC NEEDS. Mock on, you are just showing in front of everyone what your heart is set on: riches rather than God.
 
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Enxu

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Locoponydirtman said:
Don't get upset at me because your flesh is riled up against scripture, and I was honest with you about it. Maybe you should confess it so that the Lord will forgive it. repent.
what Paul wrote to Timothy in his first letter, about how to operate the church is scripture. And he said pay those who diligently work in the ministry, preaching and teaching.
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I’m not upset at anyone, it is you guys upset that someone like me dare to speak out against the corruption and hypocrisy of preachers today. Your lack of love for God is glaringly obvious.
 
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Enxu

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jb said:
At the end of the day, this is still making money out of religion, and certainly is NOT the spirit in which the Lord Jesus and the apostles preached/taught the Gospel! Matt 10v6, Acts 3v6, 20v33, 2Cor 8v9.

Nowhere do I read in the Scriptures that the Lord Jesus, after He preached the Sermon on the Mount, that He wrote a book on it and sold it, or that Paul, Peter, James, Jude or John after God the Holy Spirit inspired their epistles/gospels published them with a view to making money!

It was money, wealth and riches that destroyed the Laodicean Church (Rev 3v17) and the same has destroyed many churches in the West and around the world today...It's long past the time that the Church got back to the spirit/principles/practices of the early Church, and earnestly seek God for His plans and power to fulfil those plans. Acts 2v40-47, 4v29-31.
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Exactly. But the greedy will always defend and justify their greed, it just shows they don’t love God or Jesus at all.

The prophecy of Isaiah still applies to modern day Pharisees: they worship God with their lips but their hearts are far from Him.

If Jesus was here on earth again today, I wonder whether they will crucify Him for calling them hypocrites just like the ancient Pharisees did.
 
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Enxu said:
Who told you I’m using fiat currency to get basic needs met?
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Well then what is "them" ... you can clarify so I understand.
 
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Enxu said:
Paul’s right to be supported is limited to his basic needs and anything he needs to travel to preach the Gospel. He was well content with just food and clothing, as he wrote to Timothy, unlike preachers today who get salaries way above what they need to get basic needs met.

The logical contradiction is yours because you don’t even agree with what Jesus said about freely giving what you freely received. Are you for or against Jesus, ask yourself.
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Quote me where I disagree with Jesus' words.
 
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Enxu

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Dino246 said:
Fallacy: burden of proof reversal. You made the initial assertion; it's up to you to prove it.
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I don’t even need to prove it, rich false pastors are all over the TV and computer screens. I’ve just not named them yet. It’s your burden of proof to show me the majority of rich preachers are not false.
 
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