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I gather you have yet to understand "justification" and "positional sanctification"... every post of yours shows this to be true.
Also let it be known I find every post of yours taxes my patience and raises my ire... seriously!
And that you would openly lie about @dcontroversal is just reprehensible.
I rather be accused of being a sinner, and loving my sin any day of the week......... than follow your false doctrine and of this I am completely sure.
I praise God every day because of your posts actually ...... reminds how blessed I am to not be deceived.
Also let it be known I find every post of yours taxes my patience and raises my ire... seriously!
And that you would openly lie about @dcontroversal is just reprehensible.
I rather be accused of being a sinner, and loving my sin any day of the week......... than follow your false doctrine and of this I am completely sure.
I praise God every day because of your posts actually ...... reminds how blessed I am to not be deceived.
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When Jesus and Paul and Peter preached, for sure there was commotion, offense and "ire". Its normal, otherwise its not preaching. In those days people took it a step further and picked up sticks and stones. Then you know you are in the battle.
I have given DCON very specific opportunity to set the record straight. I have summarised what I believe his doctrine implies based on his postings, to which I am then accused. I have given him very specific questions asking him to highlight his EXACT position on what I said, but to this moment he has actively avoided answering them. He could settle this right now. But he won't (he cannot) for then his/and your house of cards collapses.
Another example, say Eternally-Grateful says that Repentance is no longer a requirement because we have repented already. I then post scriptures showing that it still is a continuing requirement. Then a few days later I quote that E-G doesn't believe in continuing repentance. If he then says "hey, you are lying about me, misrepresenting my position , etc ,etc" - then is this not fair game? I am not lying about it. It is what he said. I am free to highlight it because it is a subset of what his doctrinal views are.
I have given DCON very specific opportunity to set the record straight. I have summarised what I believe his doctrine implies based on his postings, to which I am then accused. I have given him very specific questions asking him to highlight his EXACT position on what I said, but to this moment he has actively avoided answering them. He could settle this right now. But he won't (he cannot) for then his/and your house of cards collapses.
Another example, say Eternally-Grateful says that Repentance is no longer a requirement because we have repented already. I then post scriptures showing that it still is a continuing requirement. Then a few days later I quote that E-G doesn't believe in continuing repentance. If he then says "hey, you are lying about me, misrepresenting my position , etc ,etc" - then is this not fair game? I am not lying about it. It is what he said. I am free to highlight it because it is a subset of what his doctrinal views are.
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I think he was trying to get you to,study 1 john
if you did, you would know people:who leave were never saved to begin with,
their faith (or lack of) never produced salvation
Gods children don’t lose free will, they just understood their fate apart from Christ, and would never freely chose to reject the one who saved them.
if you did, you would know people:who leave were never saved to begin with,
their faith (or lack of) never produced salvation
Gods children don’t lose free will, they just understood their fate apart from Christ, and would never freely chose to reject the one who saved them.
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You do realise there is a,difference between a whole church (the church at Ephesus) and an induvidual believer do you not? Of course churches lose their way, due to false teachers, and need to repent.
but we are talking about people who repented of their sins, which led them to true saving faith, which caused them to recieve the grace which saves,
but we are talking about people who repented of their sins, which led them to true saving faith, which caused them to recieve the grace which saves,
In Ezekiel 18:29, we read - But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right? But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right?
Ezekiel 33:13 - When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his OWN righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die. Did you read that? "If he trusts in his OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS." This is the heart of the matter here. This is describing a righteousness which is by the law rather than that which is by faith.
*The New Testament states in Romans 10:3 - "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that BELIEVES.
As James Fawcett Brown points out - righteous--one apparently such; as in Matthew 9:13, "I came not to call the righteous," that is, those who fancy themselves righteous.
Ezekiel 33:13 - When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his OWN righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die. Did you read that? "If he trusts in his OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS." This is the heart of the matter here. This is describing a righteousness which is by the law rather than that which is by faith.
*The New Testament states in Romans 10:3 - "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that BELIEVES.
As James Fawcett Brown points out - righteous--one apparently such; as in Matthew 9:13, "I came not to call the righteous," that is, those who fancy themselves righteous.
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Amen! He has regenerated us to be a kingdom of priests and we are looking for a new heaven and a new earth. The Holy City, the New Jerusalem, will come down out of heaven from God and He will make everything new!
He is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty He will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and God will be his God, and he will be God's son. But the fearful, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers*, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars - their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur, Rev.21:6-8.
Nothing impure will ever enter the Holy City, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, buy only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life, v. 27. The time is near! Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.
"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers*, the idolaters**, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood, Rev.22:11-15.
I warn everyone who hears the words of prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book, v.18,19.
God shows no partiality. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they - and only they - shall see God. I adore what faith in Jesus Christ produces in us - what reverence, what godly fear. Our minds are renewed so that we can test and approve what God's will is; His good, pleasing and perfect will.
*Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. 1 John 3:15
**Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming on those who are disobedient. You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. Colossians 3:5-7
He is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty He will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and God will be his God, and he will be God's son. But the fearful, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers*, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars - their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur, Rev.21:6-8.
Nothing impure will ever enter the Holy City, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, buy only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life, v. 27. The time is near! Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.
"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers*, the idolaters**, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood, Rev.22:11-15.
I warn everyone who hears the words of prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book, v.18,19.
God shows no partiality. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they - and only they - shall see God. I adore what faith in Jesus Christ produces in us - what reverence, what godly fear. Our minds are renewed so that we can test and approve what God's will is; His good, pleasing and perfect will.
*Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. 1 John 3:15
**Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming on those who are disobedient. You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. Colossians 3:5-7
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Amen, it’s like the workers who come on judgment day, claiming all their works of righteousness done in Jesus name. Yet Jesus tells them to depart for he NEVER KNEW THEM, why? Because they practiced unrighteousness (son) and as John said, as such, they had never seen or known God, period
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I disagree, but for the purposes of advancing dialogue down your way of thinking - So you are then saying God will remove the ENTIRE CHURCH's lampstand. Even that is quite a statement, no? For not doing their first works? How does the whole community get together and align their behaviours? What does the removal of the lampstand mean?
Amen! In Matthew 7:23, we read that Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved. These many people in Matthew 7:22 who were trusting in works for salvation (Lord, Lord, didn't 'WE') were not true converts. In John 17:3, we read - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge.
1 John 3:9 (NASB) - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:9 (AMPC) - No one born (begotten) of God [deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin, for God’s nature abides in him [His principle of life, the divine sperm, remains permanently within him]; and he cannot practice sinning because he is born (begotten) of God.
1 John 3:9 (NASB) - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:9 (AMPC) - No one born (begotten) of God [deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin, for God’s nature abides in him [His principle of life, the divine sperm, remains permanently within him]; and he cannot practice sinning because he is born (begotten) of God.
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