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Post 117993 was clear that continuing in belief was not a requirement for your side. And I understand why you make this point. You make it because its a DONE DEAL at the start (hence OSAS kicks into effect). All can read that post. I am telling you that you are dead wrong on this point. Continuation in the faith is 100% scriptural and 100% crucial.
Colossians 1
21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
How can you say Repentance is NOT a requirement going forward.
Lets look:
2 Peter 3
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Colossians 1
21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
How can you say Repentance is NOT a requirement going forward.
Lets look:
2 Peter 3
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
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Its just like when in the Law. God commanded things the flesh could not keep, to show us we need grace. And then under grace, God warns us and admoishes us so that we can make our calling and election sure.
I can take Gods warnings and afmonishments and examine myself, am I in the faith
If I see that my life is not in line with Gods Word, is reprobate and I disregard all the warnings of God continually and persistently, it is time to take serious inventory
I can take Gods warnings and afmonishments and examine myself, am I in the faith
If I see that my life is not in line with Gods Word, is reprobate and I disregard all the warnings of God continually and persistently, it is time to take serious inventory
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I will say that there is a danger of gradual drift. A little compromise here, a little compromise there, (little foxes spoil the vine) and you can gradually drift into a very serious and grievous lapse. That is why confession is so necessary, not because we need to be justified over and over again, but because it acts like brakes to stop our slide, releases us from guilty conscience, and keeps nothing between the Saviour and me.
that is why there are warnings to be diligent and watchful and of a sound and sober mind. Because if you don’t take care of your yard, weeds take over
But I personally don’t feel comfortable at all when I sin, and i never go very long without confessing and forsaking it. Were talking minutes or hours, not days, weeks or months
For example do not let the sun go down on your wrath. That means let go of it that day.
that is why there are warnings to be diligent and watchful and of a sound and sober mind. Because if you don’t take care of your yard, weeds take over
But I personally don’t feel comfortable at all when I sin, and i never go very long without confessing and forsaking it. Were talking minutes or hours, not days, weeks or months
For example do not let the sun go down on your wrath. That means let go of it that day.
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Thank you for your clarification. I'm relieved to find there is someone else who is not deceived by this doctrine. I used to believe this too, but since studying the Scripture for myself and not blindly believing others, I no longer do. I think we should all fight against sin in our lives....a person who thinks it's ok to sin as a Christian and is not bothering to resist temptation, but hiding behind the "Once Saved Always Saved" doctrine, might be in for a surprise.
I believe ..
* People can "fall away" (Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:38-39)
* We have to "work out our salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12)
* We have to endure to the end (Matthew 24:13 - He that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved)
* Jesus said: "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit (John 15:2)
* There are mortal sins that those who commit them will not inherit the "kingdom of God" (Galatians 5:19-21)
etc.
For this gift to be offered free to all, it cost God a great deal, how could I then dismiss it, squander it, and willfully continue in sin? Did Jesus go through all that suffering so that I can defile myself with sin? Certainly not.
I believe ..
* People can "fall away" (Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:38-39)
* We have to "work out our salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12)
* We have to endure to the end (Matthew 24:13 - He that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved)
* Jesus said: "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit (John 15:2)
* There are mortal sins that those who commit them will not inherit the "kingdom of God" (Galatians 5:19-21)
etc.
For this gift to be offered free to all, it cost God a great deal, how could I then dismiss it, squander it, and willfully continue in sin? Did Jesus go through all that suffering so that I can defile myself with sin? Certainly not.
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I don’t know how anyone can read these words and think this man is saying we can sin all we want and still be saved. The words are so plain and clear! Look closely at the third through fifth paragraph. Starting with the word Jesus. Look and read carefully.
Guys, slow down and read what he said.
And please look at who agreed.
Guys, slow down and read what he said.
And please look at who agreed.
Do I understand you correctly? Please clarify if I'm misunderstanding.
You believe that Salvation is "irrevocable" regardless of your actions AFTER you accept Christ?
So, you take the free gift and there's NOTHING you can do to "lose it" if you don't want it any more?
You basically lose your free will because you're "sealed" and it's a done deal?
You believe that Salvation is "irrevocable" regardless of your actions AFTER you accept Christ?
So, you take the free gift and there's NOTHING you can do to "lose it" if you don't want it any more?
You basically lose your free will because you're "sealed" and it's a done deal?
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