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I about fell out of my chair recently when I heard John McArthur say believing couldn't possibly be how you stay saved because that would be works (or something along that line). I had listened to him for years back when I first got saved and had a lot of respect for him. Not anymore. I can't listen to him anymore.
Listen Ralph.......the same drivel you peddle = no respect before Christ either.........and make no mistake...what you peddle is not of God.....my bible states we are saved eternally, sealed eternally, justified eternally and positionally sanctified eternally by the faith that Christ...
a. deals in measure'
b. begins in us
c.. finishes in us
d. completes in us
Your insolence and devaluation of Christ, his power, his promises, his faith and his work on our behalf as one STANDING to intercede FOREVER for those saved will NOT go unanswered.........your judgement lingereth not and I suggest you get right before GOD before you leave this earth or you will have a very bad day coming pal!
a. deals in measure'
b. begins in us
c.. finishes in us
d. completes in us
Your insolence and devaluation of Christ, his power, his promises, his faith and his work on our behalf as one STANDING to intercede FOREVER for those saved will NOT go unanswered.........your judgement lingereth not and I suggest you get right before GOD before you leave this earth or you will have a very bad day coming pal!
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You'll find this interesting.
(At least read the comments.)
This subject should be required curriculum in every school in every country.
I wish I knew about this when I was 18. Not just because of the abuse I've suffered at the hands of these kinds of people but I had signs of this in my own life, which had to go when I came to faith in Christ.
This subject should be required curriculum in every school in every country.
I wish I knew about this when I was 18. Not just because of the abuse I've suffered at the hands of these kinds of people but I had signs of this in my own life, which had to go when I came to faith in Christ.
That pretty much defines the present day church.
This is what Paul says should define us:
Romans 14:17-19 NIV
17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
19Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.
Just insert any of the various pet doctrines of the church in place of 'eating and drinking' and you'll see how the church has defined the believing that saves as believing the correct doctrines about God. We've totally missed what being a Christian is all about. I'll be honest. I blame the leadership of the church.
This is what Paul says should define us:
Romans 14:17-19 NIV
17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
19Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.
Just insert any of the various pet doctrines of the church in place of 'eating and drinking' and you'll see how the church has defined the believing that saves as believing the correct doctrines about God. We've totally missed what being a Christian is all about. I'll be honest. I blame the leadership of the church.
That is exactly what I believe.
The difference between me and you, perhaps, is I believe that we are to keep ourselves in the grace and ministry of Jesus that keeps us. And we do that through the exact same believing and trusting in Christ that got us there in the first place.
Calling the requirement to continue to believe in the grace of God a work of the flesh is what I completely and totally resist in the once saved always saved doctrine.
And, of course, I resist the latest trend in once saved always saved circles that says you can even stop believing altogether and literally go back to unbelief and you are still saved.
The difference between me and you, perhaps, is I believe that we are to keep ourselves in the grace and ministry of Jesus that keeps us. And we do that through the exact same believing and trusting in Christ that got us there in the first place.
Calling the requirement to continue to believe in the grace of God a work of the flesh is what I completely and totally resist in the once saved always saved doctrine.
And, of course, I resist the latest trend in once saved always saved circles that says you can even stop believing altogether and literally go back to unbelief and you are still saved.
Actually, that's not true.
A little study in church history will show you that once saved always saved was not embraced by the generations immediately following the Apostles. What happened is the Apostles teaching has been over time interpreted as once saved always saved. It's a later intrusion into the doctrine of the church. It took 1500 years for it to be an official part of the church, and that happened only because there was a split in the church.
Sorry to burden anyone with long videos, but I think this (and other videos) is worth watching if you really want to know the truth about the church we live in today, and which we think believes and behaves exactly the way God wants us to.
I came to the conclusion that once saved always saved was at the very least a suspect doctrine by simply starting out my journey with God as a Christian largely in the scriptures themselves and not on the popular doctrinal teachers and their teachings of the day, and so I could see that what it taught did not line up with what the Bible actually taught in it's totality regarding this subject.
A little study in church history will show you that once saved always saved was not embraced by the generations immediately following the Apostles. What happened is the Apostles teaching has been over time interpreted as once saved always saved. It's a later intrusion into the doctrine of the church. It took 1500 years for it to be an official part of the church, and that happened only because there was a split in the church.
Sorry to burden anyone with long videos, but I think this (and other videos) is worth watching if you really want to know the truth about the church we live in today, and which we think believes and behaves exactly the way God wants us to.
I came to the conclusion that once saved always saved was at the very least a suspect doctrine by simply starting out my journey with God as a Christian largely in the scriptures themselves and not on the popular doctrinal teachers and their teachings of the day, and so I could see that what it taught did not line up with what the Bible actually taught in it's totality regarding this subject.
Not a bad argument.
But I'm fairly certain that Calvinism says that God purposely creates you as one who will love God, and purposely creates others who won't love God. You're saying Calvinism says God simply moves the blocks out of the way for some people to love God and doesn't move them out of the way for others, but if he did, they would love Him too.
But I'm fairly certain that Calvinism says that God purposely creates you as one who will love God, and purposely creates others who won't love God. You're saying Calvinism says God simply moves the blocks out of the way for some people to love God and doesn't move them out of the way for others, but if he did, they would love Him too.
was wondering what you thought of Discern's post -
'holding fast the confidence' -- what confidence is this? certainly not 'confidence in the flesh' ((Philippians 3:1-4)) - whatever this is in Philippians 3:9 'a righteousness not of my own' that 'is through faith' it is the opposite of vv. 5-6.
is this something 'self-maintained' ? is it the same confidence as expressed in Philippians 1:6, "being confident of this very thing" -- that "He who began a good work in you is faithful to complete it" ?
i thought when you replied to that post you went off track a bit griping about whatever 'calvinism' is, instead of talking about the scripture that was brought up. i don't want to talk about -isms and -ologies, but about Christ, and the Bible.
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Amen...
Along with my bible reading , I have learned sooooo much from this thread , and I am so thankful to the LORD our GOD that the swords still swing in here...
This thread is a battleground where swords will clash , Jesus said He came to separate , wolves from the sheep , wheat and tares , this thread has definitely shown me how the wolves operate , many speak with a smooth tongue , their words sounding sweet as honey , yet coated in lies ...
Keep fighting brothers & sisters , the LORD our God is with us , we are to fight our battles daily , pick up our cross and follow our LORD ...
We can only plant the seeds , and pray that God grows them , pray that He ploughs the hearts of those who are traveling on the broad path with their luggage that will not fit through the narrow gate ...
...xox...
Along with my bible reading , I have learned sooooo much from this thread , and I am so thankful to the LORD our GOD that the swords still swing in here...
This thread is a battleground where swords will clash , Jesus said He came to separate , wolves from the sheep , wheat and tares , this thread has definitely shown me how the wolves operate , many speak with a smooth tongue , their words sounding sweet as honey , yet coated in lies ...
Keep fighting brothers & sisters , the LORD our God is with us , we are to fight our battles daily , pick up our cross and follow our LORD ...
We can only plant the seeds , and pray that God grows them , pray that He ploughs the hearts of those who are traveling on the broad path with their luggage that will not fit through the narrow gate ...
...xox...
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