Luke 17 - Where are they taken?

[KJV1611]

Jesus was referring in part to the typology of the passover lamb.
The blood is forbidden.

But in your theory you have jesus as a dead body and believers as vultures

In my view the dead body of Christ (not his literal body) is word of God. That is the BREAD of life, that is what Christ meant when he said that we as believers MUST EAT his flesh.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Ephesians 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Paul here is speaking of descending “into the lower parts of the earth” not “down to the earth” implying Christ incarnation. The passage says of “into” the lower parts which refer to a particular point or place or location. Even grave is a location but grave which is the place of the dead body is also an assumption otherwise, the scripture has to specifically use a different Greek word mnēmeion instead, translated as the grave, tomb or sepulcher in the scripture. Science had its specific location of this core of the earth which may speak as the lower parts. The dead body is to the grave, but the soul and spirit of the dead will be either to the lower parts as described in English hell o the upper which is the paradise. My understanding of the nether parts of the earth is consisting of the upper (paradise) and the lower parts(hell). The case of the rich man and Lazarus gave us the idea of the nether/lower parts. We have the Abrahams bosom which is the paradise which the rich man had seen upward. In connection with this nether parts Ezek. 31 describes the trees and waters which is a fitting description of the paradise lost when Adam and Eve sin. So, the plausible interpretation was that Christ descended into the paradise proclaiming his victory.

This is all based on interpretation.
I would not reject that this is as you propose it, it is possible, but the Scriptures are not solid on it.

 

[SoulWeaver]

In my view the dead body of Christ (not his literal body) is word of God. That is the BREAD of life, that is what Christ meant when he said that we as believers MUST EAT his flesh.

I agree...
When Jesus says, "i have meat to eat that ye don't know of" speaking of the coming crucifixion.
Meat/flesh and milk of the Word. Milk is teaching the truths of God, meat is application/works (causing teaching to manifest).
The "meatier part" of the Word is the death of the flesh. Thus, carcass.

 

[garee]

Jesus was referring in part to the typology of the passover lamb.
The blood is forbidden.

But in your theory you have jesus as a dead body and believers as vultures

Yes its a picture of the dead, as a ceremonial law . They remain dead and do not rise. Vulture unclean foul to represent. . . mankind dead in its trespasses and sins. Like let the dead bury there own dead as those who consume one anther comparing themselves to themselves and not to the gospel.

Galatians 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Vultures or eagles on dead bodies . dead on dead

While the metaphor eating the flesh of Christ or drinking blood is attributed to the living work of Christ pouring out Spirit life in jeopardy of his own Spirit.

 

[garee]

Eagles in scripture are used positively in the passage below:

Exod. 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself

Isa 40:31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Yes like other metaphors lion, serpent, etc the word can be used in two way. A curse and a blessing. The context must be taken into account .

In ceremonial laws they are used to represent unbelief, no faith, as the unclean an abomination

Leviticus 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,

They shall not be eaten they do not represent Christ as a lamb clean food used to represent the will of God.

Deuteronomy 28:49 The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;

Eagle are used to represent a unbeleiving nation of natural man . . . the evil generation

 

[tanakh]

Isa 65 starts out with - Here I am, here I am to nation that did not seek after him. This is obvious talking about Christ and the Gentiles seeking after him.

Verses 2-7 God is reaching out to a rebellious nation that continually rejects him to the point that it provokes God to anger.

Verses 8 God vows to protect the new wine for the remnant.

Verse 9 God brings forth a seed out of Jacob - the inheritor - Christ coming the first time.

I won’t continue with the verse by verse but the context to this point is the first coming of Christ.

My question is which verse does the context move 2000 years in the future?

It can be argued that the context moves at the start of verse 17 and ends at verse 25
We are not living in the new heaven and earth promised in this chapter and in Revelation.
National Israel wasn't blessed after AD 70 it was cursed and continued to be cursed for 2000
years

 

[Corgi_o_ner]

I'm surprised! I did not know that you believed that we have already gone through the first five seals.

Since I understand that the 1st seal rider on the white horse is figuratively representing the antichrist and he has yet to be revealed, then we couldn't possibly have started the seals yet. Not only that, but there is humongous problem with the next three seals as well.

"When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword."

To say that peace has been taken from the earth so that people kill each other, would be to greatly decrease the severity of this seal judgment. When this takes place it will be like nothing the world has every seen, not some passive, historical event.

"When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds a of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”

The above represents world-wide famine which the world has never seen. A small amount of food for a lot of money.

"When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth."

A fourth of the earth is killed in the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. This should not be considered over a 2000 year time period, but a very shot time period, which demonstrates the severity of these seals.

The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will take place after the church has been removed and that because they all make of God's wrath. Since believers are not appointed to suffer God's wrath, then we can't be here.

I continue to say, that people are greatly underestimating or diminishing the impact of these coming plagues of wrath. Once the church is gone, then these three sets of plagues will be nothing like the world has ever seen, unprecedented and without human recovery. In other words, they are not to be compared to bygone historical events, because they will be unique and unqualed.

The first seal was broken when Russia came to the aid of Iran in the Gulf.

 

[RevelationMan]

Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

I wish I could remember who pointed this out to me so I could give them credit for it, but someone on CC showed me this a year or two ago and I got busy and kind of forgot about it. That person showed me that the ones that were taken, were taken to the dead body in verse 37.

I believe the dead body was the body of Christ and the eagles are believers. One reason I believe this is because we mount up with eagles wings and we feed on the body of Christ... there are other reasons to, but now I have satisfied the requirements of p_rehbein, I've given my thoughts lol.

What are your thought?
What is the dead body and what do the eagles represent?

I think it is the Body of Christ as well because the dead in Christ will go up first and then those who are still alive will be caught up to wherever the dead in Christ are at. So it is referring to the rapture of the Church.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The first seal was broken when Russia came to the aid of Iran in the Gulf.

Hello Corgi,

The first seal rider on the white horse symbolically represents the antichrist. He is the counterfeit of the rider on the white horse in Revelation 19:11.

The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be unprecedented events of wrath, also known as the day of the Lord, which will decimate the majority of the population of the world and dismantle all human government. They will not be ordinary historical events, but will be like nothing that the world has ever seen, unequaled and never to be equaled again. They will be the birth pains like that of pregnant woman, getting closer together and more intense as they go. After the 7th bowl has been poured out which will complete God's wrath, then Jesus will return to the earth to end the age and establish His kingdom.

It is very easy to apply historical events and then assign them to the seals, trumpets or bowls. However, there has to be a way to link scriptures with historical events, of which there is none regarding the claim of Russia and Iran.

In addition, since the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are God's coming wrath, then the church would have to be removed from the earth prior to that first seal being opened, because believers in Christ are not appointed to suffer God's wrath. Therefore, since the church is still here, then the first seal could not have possible been opened.

 

[TheLearner]

I think it is the Body of Christ as well because the dead in Christ will go up first and then those who are still alive will be caught up to wherever the dead in Christ are at. So it is referring to the rapture of the Church.

They were taken into military roman.

 

[garee]

Hello Corgi,

The first seal rider on the white horse symbolically represents the antichrist. He is the counterfeit of the rider on the white horse in Revelation 19:11.

The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be unprecedented events of wrath, also known as the day of the Lord, which will decimate the majority of the population of the world and dismantle all human government. They will not be ordinary historical events, but will be like nothing that the world has ever seen, unequaled and never to be equaled again. They will be the birth pains like that of pregnant woman, getting closer together and more intense as they go. After the 7th bowl has been poured out which will complete God's wrath, then Jesus will return to the earth to end the age and establish His kingdom.

It is very easy to apply historical events and then assign them to the seals, trumpets or bowls. However, there has to be a way to link scriptures with historical events, of which there is none regarding the claim of Russia and Iran.

In addition, since the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are God's coming wrath, then the church would have to be removed from the earth prior to that first seal being opened, because believers in Christ are not appointed to suffer God's wrath. Therefore, since the church is still here, then the first seal could not have possible been opened.

Both white horses represent the pure strength of Christ. No need to separate light from light. . . dark as black from black . .as in no light white. . it stays separate

 

[Corgi_o_ner]

Hello Corgi,

The first seal rider on the white horse symbolically represents the antichrist. He is the counterfeit of the rider on the white horse in Revelation 19:11.

The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be unprecedented events of wrath, also known as the day of the Lord, which will decimate the majority of the population of the world and dismantle all human government. They will not be ordinary historical events, but will be like nothing that the world has ever seen, unequaled and never to be equaled again. They will be the birth pains like that of pregnant woman, getting closer together and more intense as they go. After the 7th bowl has been poured out which will complete God's wrath, then Jesus will return to the earth to end the age and establish His kingdom.

It is very easy to apply historical events and then assign them to the seals, trumpets or bowls. However, there has to be a way to link scriptures with historical events, of which there is none regarding the claim of Russia and Iran.

In addition, since the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are God's coming wrath, then the church would have to be removed from the earth prior to that first seal being opened, because believers in Christ are not appointed to suffer God's wrath. Therefore, since the church is still here, then the first seal could not have possible been opened.

AKA, the time of awakening for many doubters. Bittersweet and no cause for celebration though.

 

[TooFastTurtle]

even Matthew puts the Second Coming ahead of the Rapture (which is impossible since all the saints accompany Christ at His coming).

We agree. We are both pre-trib rapture believers, but I would like to ask you brother, where does Matthew put Second Coming ahead of the Rapture?

 

[Ahwatukee]

AKA, the time of awakening for many doubters. Bittersweet and no cause for celebration though.

Well that is half right! There will much cause for celebration for those caught up prior to God's wrath, which will take place in heaven and specifically at the wedding of the Lamb (Rev.19:6-8). In opposition, there will be no cause for celebration for those still on the earth, for they will be the one's exposed to God's wrath and the beasts reign.

 

[Nehemiah6]

We agree. We are both pre-trib rapture believers, but I would like to ask you brother, where does Matthew put Second Coming ahead of the Rapture?

It is simply in the sequence of verses.

VERSE 30 -- SECOND COMING: THE SON OF MAN AS JUDGE
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

VERSE 42 -- RAPTURE: YOUR LORD AS SAVIOR TO COMPLETE YOUR REDEMPTION
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

 

[stillness]

In my view the dead body of Christ (not his literal body) is word of God. That is the BREAD of life, that is what Christ meant when he said that we as believers MUST EAT his flesh.

Hi brother, I agree that the body of Jesus is food for our spirit. Jesus said, "Do this in rememberance of Me." Paul said, "As often as you do this you show the Lord's death until He returns." The last supper is partaking of Jesus before he died to strengten us to follow Him in His death. The apostles had to fail here because the Holy Spirit was not yet given: so that we know its "Not by might nor by power but by My Spirit sais the Lord." So, the comunion of the body of Christ is more than following Jesus in His death but "That I may attain to the Resurrection."
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. "
This first resurrection is for those who overcame. "They overcame by the blood of the Lamb, by the Word in their testimony and they loved not their lives as much as to shrink from death." This answers where the Eagles are taken. To reing with Jesus for a thousand years. One shall be taken and one shall be left is the same with the parable of the 10 virgens: 5 of them were wise and five of them were folish. The wise were taken. When believers are tortured for Christ one out of two compromise to be released. Even in nature its the case with eagles, one out of two eaglets does not make it to Maturity. Parable language is surprisingly consistent. Eagles represent saints, this was my faorite verse, "They that wait on the Lord shall renew strengt,"... Now my favorite verse sais how to wait on the Lord,"Rejoice continually, pray without ceasing, in everyrhing give thanks for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you." and we know that the Joy of the Lord os our strengh." "Some were tortured, nott compromising to be delivered, that they may obtain a better Resurrection." Dosent mean that the others are lost, but that they dont have part in the first Resurrection. Jesus did not know them: they did not become real in following Him with their whole heart. But denying the Lord can be forgiven, Peter denied 3 times (compleatly) and laiter died for the Faith, empowred by the Holy Spirit. So if we want to rule in Love with Him should we pray for opportunity to die for the Faith or let it happen of its own accord? Jist kiding, "All that live godly shall suffer persecution." "If we sufer with Him we shall rule with Him."

 

[JaumeJ]

Jesus Christ, Yeshua , is the Bread from Heaven born in the House of Bread. When we liv e by His Word, which He is, we are eating the Bread from Heaven, His flesh.

When we live our lives as best possible with Him as our Example, we are drinking the Blood, for life is in the Blood.

What man has come to call communion, or the breaking of bread, is simply the ritual, the true communion with Jesus is the above.

 

[MattforJesus]

Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

I wish I could remember who pointed this out to me so I could give them credit for it, but someone on CC showed me this a year or two ago and I got busy and kind of forgot about it. That person showed me that the ones that were taken, were taken to the dead body in verse 37.

I believe the dead body was the body of Christ and the eagles are believers. One reason I believe this is because we mount up with eagles wings and we feed on the body of Christ... there are other reasons to, but now I have satisfied the requirements of p_rehbein, I've given my thoughts lol.

What are your thought?
What is the dead body and what do the eagles represent?

Jesus is speaking of when He comes back.

So it is either the resurrection as the saints taken, or the people taken as in being put down that were rebellious when He came back.

Which I believe it is the resurrection for they were taken which is to be with Jesus, for the wicked are not taken but put down and Jesus spares some of them.

Which the Bible says then comes the end when the Son shall have delivered the kingdom to God the Father when He shall have put down all rule, authority, and power.

So as soon as the resurrection happens Jesus is right on them to put them down with His wrath leading up to the battle or Armageddon where Jesus fights the world and defeats them.

Eze 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
Eze 39:17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
Eze 39:18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
Eze 39:19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

This is concerning the battle of Armageddon when Jesus defeats the world and is a sacrifice to the birds of the sky which includes eagles.

As soon as the saints are taken from off the earth they will be with Jesus and receive their glorified body, and come back with Jesus when He fights the world and defeats them, and their dead bodies is a feast for eagles along with all birds, and beasts.

 

[tanakh]

Jesus is speaking of when He comes back.

So it is either the resurrection as the saints taken, or the people taken as in being put down that were rebellious when He came back.

Which I believe it is the resurrection for they were taken which is to be with Jesus, for the wicked are not taken but put down and Jesus spares some of them.

Which the Bible says then comes the end when the Son shall have delivered the kingdom to God the Father when He shall have put down all rule, authority, and power.

So as soon as the resurrection happens Jesus is right on them to put them down with His wrath leading up to the battle or Armageddon where Jesus fights the world and defeats them.

Eze 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
Eze 39:17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
Eze 39:18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
Eze 39:19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

This is concerning the battle of Armageddon when Jesus defeats the world and is a sacrifice to the birds of the sky which includes eagles.

As soon as the saints are taken from off the earth they will be with Jesus and receive their glorified body, and come back with Jesus when He fights the world and defeats them, and their dead bodies is a feast for eagles along with all birds, and beasts.

This is the explanation based on scripture known to Christs disciples rather than isolated interpretations based on 2000 years of hindsight. The passage where Jesus mentions this follows his description of the days of Noah so its in that context we need to understand it. It was said before the last supper and Jesus' death and resurrection which they wouldn't have understood at that time.

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

What do you think the dead body is?

So reading this in context, is this not the Dead body in Adam?! Putting away old covenant Israel; God divorcing His wife, having her stoned to death, etc...... Vs what is coming shortly, the body of Christ Jesus the 2nd Adam; New covenant Israel, the bride of Christ!?!

Where were the vultures or eagles gathered? Around Jerusalem and the land of Israel, right! The eagles is a word play for what was atop the Roman standard when 1 to 3 million Jews lost their life's in the 1st Holocaust. ie 67 -73ad