WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

[DeighAnn]

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds and every eye shall see him and they also which pierced him and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
(No one disappearing, every eye sees, and every knee shall bow)

Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last (no middle here) and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.


Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen and have the keys of hell and of death.
(yet another opportunity to slide in a "but coming to take my church first")

Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter
(yet another opportunity to slide in a "but coming to take my church first") but it is to the Churches this is written, and we are going to be told about what has, what is and what will happen to the church. Seriously wouldn't this be a great time to mention a "rapsure"?

Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

And what does HE tell each and every single church he writes to????

To him that overcometh, to ALL 7 of them.


What is special about these 7 Churches? They represent the "beliefs" of the churches we find today. There were 2 churches that were "approved". I pray one of them is yours. What are those 2 churches about, what is their knowledge? What do they teach?

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
(Do you know that some people don't even know that it was SATAN in charge at the Crucifixion of Jesus. Some people actually believe it was our true brother Judah. Sure some of them maybe, but mostly they were of the synagogue of Satan. Ever wonder why all those genealogies are written in the Bible? Heritage. You know who didn't care about their heritage? sold it for a bowl of pottage. Most likely not the first time he didn't care about it either)

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried and ye shall have tribulation ten days be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

To not be hurt by the second death means you MUST be of the 1st resurrection. And this church is here on earth with the devil casting some of us into prison for a 10 day trial. Can you imagine? The most you will suffer is 10 days and for those measly hours the reward is a crown of life, eternal. Gird up thy loins. If this actually happens to you, you are not to even premeditate what you will say. ou say nothing until the Holy Spirit speaks through you. I can't hardly write it. The honor of being chosen for such a thing. A little gospel armor for someone who needs a piece.

 

[RevelationMan]

The rapture is the gathering of the bride.
It is vividly depicted in mat 25.
Jesus is the groom,the 5 wise,half of the 10,are taken to the marrige chamber .
We see intimacy depicted between Jesus and his bride.

Now,not that dynamic in relationship with "tribulation"
The tribulation of that story is after the gathering.
Same with noah and lot (2 other examples of Jesus)

this is a video that shows the rapture of the church and many other things in the book of Revelation such as Death and Hades

http://mobilelaz.com/judgmentday/thedayofthelord.mp4

 

[GODsHumblePrincess]

 

[Melach]

Sermon on When is the rapture?

SDA(postasy) alert.

this man is an adventist. be careful

 

[GODsHumblePrincess]

 

[GODsHumblePrincess]

SDA(postasy) alert.

this man is an adventist. be careful

Apostasy?

 

[Absolutely]

Please by all means post a PRE trib one. You would be the first to ever do it. Now make sure that what you post CAN NOT fit into the 2nd Advent because these, CANT be PRE


1Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
Don't worry about people who have already died
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
Because Jesus died and rose, so have those who have died that we know
1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
There is no body in a hole in the ground as some believed would be until the return of Christ. They are in heaven, on one side of the gulf with Abraham, or the other side with the richman
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first
When Jesus descends AT THE TRUMP of God, the 7th trump, the non believers die instantly and go to the other side of the gulf, Because they will not be participating in the 1st ressurection, they will have to wait until the end of the millennium, for the 2nd ressurection.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
We will be changed from our mortal, corruptible, terrestrial bodies into our immortal, incorruptible, spiritual bodies, to BE EVER WITH THE LORD
1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.



2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
He is coming to take vengeance

2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2 Thessalonians 1:10 When He shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
2 Thessalonians 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power
2 Thessalonians 1:12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
As in the first letter to the Thessalonians

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
What day shall not come? The day that we are gathered to the Lord, NOT UNTIL THE SON OF PERDITION is revealed, and not a second sooner.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
So in summary "Jesus will not be coming to gather us to Him UNTIL AFTER SATAN IS SITTING IN GODS TEMPLE AND SHOWING THE WORLD HE IS GOD" So simple really.

2 Thessalonians 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
This is what he had told them when he was there

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
It can't be till after Satan is here that He, Jesus can return

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
The deceiver and deception are already working, Jesus will be returning to cast him into the pit

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
The two witnesses will have laid in the streets 3 1/2 days, and when the Lord returns, they will rise, and at that last trump, the brightness of Christ will open the eyes of all who have been deceived by the darkness

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
To make sure no one missed it the first time, here is a 2nd witness, JESUS COMES AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN, who has deceived the world because of all the power and might of his lies and deception.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And those who did not put on the whole gospel armor to withstand the fiery darts of Satan.....have taken his mark by not knowing what was coming, not knowing Gods Plan for the end times, not watching, not knowing the first one taken is taken by the Anti Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
And TODAY, they are refusing to put it on because??? it is old?? it does not "apply" to them, "they have been saved, and don't want to proceed past the "milk" of the word"," they don't know they are lively stones", "they have been caught up in the traditions of man",

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
But if they die before Satan arrives, they will be fine, but for those of "and the first shall be last and the last will be first" they best be putting on the full gospel armor or they will be deceived. For God had to shorten the time Satan was to be here or else even Gods elect would be deceived, SATAN IS THAT GOOD. Get it right in your mind. Even when the angel was contending with Satan over the bones of Moses, did not argue, but rebuked.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Sanctification, no one really brings it up that much but it is very important to one of Gods elect, which some here are as we are in the generation of the fig tree, the last generation. 1948 when Israel became a nation once again.

2 Thessalonians 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
STAND FAST, be a watchman, get ready to overcome. God makes a lot of promises to those who overcome

2 Thessalonians 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

2 Thessalonians 2:17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
And your works do follow you. Many try to take away the importance of good works for God, stealing from Him the work that needs to be done to make His enemies His footstool.

The ONLY shaky thing you did was base your entire deal on a trumpet.

Sidestep the pretrib verses (that are vividly depicted) and pooof! We have the trumpet rapture!

Postrib talking points are "trumpet" and "day of the Lord"

But again,postribbers ,to my knowledge,never introduce the bride,wedding,groom.
And it is entertaining watching them "interpret" the ten virgin parable.( a vivid picture of the rapture.)

 

[Absolutely]

John's reference to "a woman sitting on a scarlet beast" is referring to that last day false church system which will be afforded by the emergence of the antichrist.

The reference to the woman being that great city that rules over the kings of the earth and the fact that this city sits on seven hills, are both pointing to Rome and the headquarters of her religious system, the Vatican. This being true, I believe that the Roman Catholicism will absorb all of the false Christian splinter sects forming the last day one-world religious system. That said, I also believe that the second beast, the false prophet, will be one of the future popes, as the head of that one world false religious system. The woman will be using the beast to gain authority over all people. And that by force if need be.

I believe that it was before 1798 that the church in Rome wielded her power over kings and their armies and that for fear of being excommunicated. Complete control over all people is still the goal and desire for the false church in Rome and the emergence of the antichrist is going to give them the power to do so, ergo, the woman who rides the beast. She's going to be in cahoots with the antichrist in order to get that power back.

The church in Rome was responsible for all of the bloodshed in all three inquisitions and will be responsible for the blood shed during the tribulation period. The church of Rome had spies who would identify people as heretics who would be arrested, all of their property confiscated, imprisoned, tortured and many burned alive. That said, it is the goal and desire of the church in Rome to recapture that authority, so that all people belong to Roman Catholicism and are under the authority of the office of the pope.

What better person to play the part of the false prophet, than the leader of the one-world religious system. After all, whatever the pope says the devote will do. That said, it is the false prophet who causes the inhabitants of the earth to make that image in honor of the beast. He's also the one who causes all both great and small, rich and poor, free and slave to receive the mark of the beast. And whoever does not receive it will not be able to buy or sell.

Always good to see you in the mix Awatukee.

Thanks

 

[Absolutely]

There again,remove the pretrib verses and poooof! Postrib rapture appears!!!!

 

[Ahwatukee]

Thought the great tribulation was only supposed t0 last 7 calendar years start to finish. 1798+7=1805? The Lord didn't destroy every nation and all the rulers on the planet in 1805.

Good day calibob,

you are correct in that the tribulation will be seven years in length, with the last 3 1/2 years referred to as the great tribulation. This takes place when the abomination is set up in the holy place within the temple. I don't know how you arrived at the dates that you posted above, for the seven years will be initiated when that ruler, the antichrist establishes his agreement with Israel. In the middle of that seven years, he will put a stop to Israel's sacrifices and offerings and will set up that abomination which is what causes the desolation, i.e. Israel flees out into the wilderness where she will be cared for by God as revealed in Matt.24:15-22 and Rev.12:6, 14.

That seven year tribulation cannot begin until that seven year agreement has been established with Israel by the antichrist, the end of which is when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Always good to see you in the mix Awatukee.

Thanks

Thank you for saying so. And you as well, Absolutely! Continue contending for the truth.

 

[JamOn]

Good day calibob,

you are correct in that the tribulation will be seven years in length, with the last 3 1/2 years referred to as the great tribulation. This takes place when the abomination is set up in the holy place within the temple. I don't know how you arrived at the dates that you posted above, for the seven years will be initiated when that ruler, the antichrist establishes his agreement with Israel. In the middle of that seven years, he will put a stop to Israel's sacrifices and offerings and will set up that abomination which is what causes the desolation, i.e. Israel flees out into the wilderness where she will be cared for by God as revealed in Matt.24:15-22 and Rev.12:6, 14.

That seven year tribulation cannot begin until that seven year agreement has been established with Israel by the antichrist, the end of which is when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom.

that’s a good read thanks, I thought about the sacrifices and offerings and wanted to see if it’s still performed. and yes it is still alive and well though it’s been twisted to being touchy feely or something like that but no mentioning of Jesus or the new testament I could see. here’s just one place I read.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/sacrifices-are-alive-and-well/

 

[DeighAnn]

The ONLY shaky thing you did was base your entire deal on a trumpet.

Sidestep the pretrib verses (that are vividly depicted) and pooof! We have the trumpet rapture!

Postrib talking points are "trumpet" and "day of the Lord"

But again,postribbers ,to my knowledge,never introduce the bride,wedding,groom.
And it is entertaining watching them "interpret" the ten virgin parable.( a vivid picture of the rapture.)

ARE YOU SURE I BASED MY ENTIRE DEAL ON A TRUMPET? You want some more? Let me know and I will explain that 10 virgin parable to you too.

Pre Trib Rapture will not work EVER because they never overcome anything. They will have never been tested. They will have never been persecuted. They are not fellow companions with tribulation. Almost all of Gods Saints have been.
What is worse, is they have the bride coming in pieces. The marriage can not take place UNTIL ALL HAVE BEEN JUDGED. That doesn't happen until the END of the Lords Day after Satan has been loosed a short time and the 2nd resurrection has taken place. The Bride is going to be WHOLE when the marriage takes place and we can't have a BRIDE when God has people still on earth in the flesh DOING WORK FOR HIM, Being persecuted from Him, standing up for Him, suffering for Him, NOTHING HE IS ASKING OF US HE HASN'T DONE HIMSELF. How did EVEN Jesus become perfect?

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.


But here, this has nothing to do with a trumpet.
Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
THE GREAT WHORE HAS BEEN JUDGED

Revelation 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
THE SMOKE IS GOING UP FOREVER AND EVER (what happens once you are tossed into the lake of fire?)(I'll just give you the answer,
Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb)
Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (They have ALREADY worshipped the beast, and received the mark, and HAVE BEEN JUDGED)

Revelation 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen Alleluia.

Revelation 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
(SO it is only after the judgment of the whore, and the lake of fire judgment, which comes at the VERY END OF THE LORDS DAY, is the marriage of the Lamb to come or she wouldn't even have any fine linen to be arrayed in)
Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. (And those saints WERE STILL ON EARTH DURING THE TRIBULATION WEREN'T THEY?)

Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
EVERY ONE WHO IS CALLED UNTO THE MARRIAGE SUPPER will be present. No "partial" Brides.

And just because you were born and said you believe, you don't just get to "rapture" away to safety while all of those others are "putting their money where their mouth is" by Watching, and STANDING, and putting on the full gospel armor to WITHSTAND THE FIERY DARTS OF SATAN, and being persecuted, and going up before DEATH, and allowing the Holy Spirit to speak through them, etc.

THERE IS NOT REASON 1 THAT GOD SHOULD RAPTURE OUT the church. The messages in REVELATION are written to the churches on WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND THEY ARE TOLD TO OVERCOME.

You know why all that scripture fits the 2nd Coming of Christ? Because that is what "all that Scripture is about." There isn't a single scripture about a "Rapture" not one, because it isn't. If there was one, just one, you would use it. But every scripture you pick, is indeterminate at best. NOT ONE, NOT ONE VERSE EMPHATICALLY SAYS "And I will come for my church before Satans Tribulation" not one.

 

[Ahwatukee]

that’s a good read thanks, I thought about the sacrifices and offerings and wanted to see if it’s still performed. and yes it is still alive and well though it’s been twisted to being touchy feely or something like that but no mentioning of Jesus or the new testament I could see. here’s just one place I read.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/sacrifices-are-alive-and-well/

Greetings JamOn!

When that ruler, the antichrist, establishes his seven year covenant with Israel, they will build their temple and begin to sacrifice again according to the law. The reason for this is that, in Daniel 9:24 seventy 'sevens' (seventy seven year periods) were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem. Sixty nine of those seventy sevens were completed when the Messiah was cut off (Christ crucified). At that time, God put a hold on that last seven years and began to build His church, which is still in the process of being built. Once the church has been completed, the Lord will descend and gather the church taking us back to the Father's house. Following that God will pick up right where He left off, fulfilling that last seven years of the decree, complete with a temple and animal sacrifices. At the end of that seven years is when the Lord will return to the earth to end the age and establish His kingdom.

 

[Ahwatukee]

ARE YOU SURE I BASED MY ENTIRE DEAL ON A TRUMPET? You want some more? Let me know and I will explain that 10 virgin parable to you too.

Pre Trib Rapture will not work EVER because they never overcome anything. They will have never been tested. They will have never been persecuted. They are not fellow companions with tribulation. Almost all of Gods Saints have been.

The problem is the same that it is with many others. Jesus said that believers would have trials and tribulation, which comes at the hands of men and the powers of darkness. However, what is coming is the unprecedented wrath of God. It is this wrath that believers are not appointed to suffer. And the church will be removed prior to said wrath.

God's saints have indeed gone through trials and tribulations, but they did not go through God's wrath. Apostles and the first century church experienced persecution and death, but that was not the wrath of God. People around the world are currently be persecuted and killed for Christ's name sake, but that is not the wrath of God.

It is paramount to discern the difference between the common trials and tribulation that believers face vs. the coming wrath of God, which as Jesus said will be a time of tribulation such as the world has not seen, from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again. (Matt.24:15-22)

Believers in Christ are not appointed to suffer God's wrath, whether the wrath that is coming upon this earth, nor the condemning wrath at the great white throne judgment. The reason is because Jesus already suffered God's wrath on behalf of every believer. (Rom.5:9, I Thess.1:10, 5:9, Rev.3:10)

What is worse, is they have the bride coming in pieces. .

There are no pieces! Those who are watching and ready will be changed and caught up when the Lord appears. Anyone who is not, will not enter in, period!

Those who take part in the resurrection and those living who are changed and caught up, will be judged at the Bema Seat of Christ, but not for sin, but to receive reward or loss of reward. The marriage of the Lamb takes place in heaven during the tribulation period, where at the end of which Jesus will descend from heaven to the earth and we following behind Him riding on white horses (Rev.19:14)

The marriage can not take place UNTIL ALL HAVE BEEN JUDGEDThat doesn't happen until the END of the Lords Day after Satan has been loosed a short time and the 2nd resurrection has taken place.

The above is false! As previously stated, those who take part in the resurrection, will be judged at the Bema Seat of Christ. There will also be a judgment of the sheep and the goats when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age. The judgment that you mentioned above is the great white throne judgment, which is a judgment for the unrighteous dead and which takes place after the millennial kingdom. They will be resurrected, their spirits being released from Hades and they will stand before God at the great white throne and anyone's name not found in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. No believer in Christ will be judged at this judgement.

You also have to understand that there are phases to the first resurrection:

* Jesus the first fruits of the first resurrection

* The church at the Lord's appearing (John 14:1-3, I Thess.4:13-18, I Cor.15:51-53)

* The male child/144,000 (caught up)

* The two witnesses (Rev.11:11)

* The great tribulation saints (Rev.20:4-6)

The above all belong to the first resurrection and that can't possible take place at the same time.

Those who take part in the resurrection at the end of the thousand years, the second death has power over.

 

[JamOn]

Greetings JamOn!

When that ruler, the antichrist, establishes his seven year covenant with Israel, they will build their temple and begin to sacrifice again according to the law. The reason for this is that, in Daniel 9:24 seventy 'sevens' (seventy seven year periods) were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem. Sixty nine of those seventy sevens were completed when the Messiah was cut off (Christ crucified). At that time, God put a hold on that last seven years and began to build His church, which is still in the process of being built. Once the church has been completed, the Lord will descend and gather the church taking us back to the Father's house. Following that God will pick up right where He left off, fulfilling that last seven years of the decree, complete with a temple and animal sacrifices. At the end of that seven years is when the Lord will return to the earth to end the age and establish His kingdom.

Ahh I see what you mean yes that’s informative thanks, well I guess the only thing I can say about what that web site was saying is their still holding on to it by any means until that day it’s being preformed as before.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Ahh I see what you mean yes that’s informative thanks, well I guess the only thing I can say about what that web site was saying is their still holding on to it by any means until that day it’s being preformed as before.

Yes, exactly. There is are seven years left of that decree which must be fulfilled. God put it on hold to be fulfilled in conjunction with His wrath, followed by the Lord returns to the earth to end the age.

Regarding the coming temple, Israel has been anxious and waiting to build it. They currently have all of the sacred furnishings that are required for the rooms in the temple such as the incense burners, the lamps, the table for the show bread, the trumpets, etc., etc. They also have reconvened the Sanhedrin and are teaching the priests to sacrifice in accordance with the law. If you are interested, you can go to the site below and read all about it and see the items for the temple:

https://www.templeinstitute.org/

 

[DeighAnn]

Good day calibob,

you are correct in that the tribulation will be seven years in length, with the last 3 1/2 years referred to as the great tribulation. This takes place when the abomination is set up in the holy place within the temple. I don't know how you arrived at the dates that you posted above, for the seven years will be initiated when that ruler, the antichrist establishes his agreement with Israel. In the middle of that seven years, he will put a stop to Israel's sacrifices and offerings and will set up that abomination which is what causes the desolation, i.e. Israel flees out into the wilderness where she will be cared for by God as revealed in Matt.24:15-22 and Rev.12:6, 14.

That seven year tribulation cannot begin until that seven year agreement has been established with Israel by the antichrist, the end of which is when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom.

Doesn't the 2nd 1/2, or GT start when the deadly wound is healed, Satan having been kicked out of heaven for the 1/2 hour? The daily sacrifices don't stop per se, they just stop going to Christ, everyone believing that the AntiChrist is Christ. Satan is the abomination

How do you negate these?, and I realize out of order and some of these need explanations, but it's a start.
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be
(5 months or Genesis 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.)

Revelation 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Revelation 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails and their power was to hurt men five months.

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Revelation 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

Revelation 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

 

[DeighAnn]

. And the church will be removed prior to said wrath.

Yes, the Church, as a matter of fact ALL FLESH, will be resurrected or changed when Jesus returns. But that is at the END of Satans tribulation when the two witnesses rise from the street after being dead 3 1/2 days.

Satans Tribulation and the Wrath of God are two different things. What I don't understand is why you feel you have to be "taken away"? Do you not remember the fiery furnace with Shadrch, Meshach, and Abednigo? Sealed, protected by God. He has no need to move anyone an inch that has been sealed. That is some knowledge worth acquiring isn't it? Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.


Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Mark 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Mark 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

Mark 13:29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh



Zephaniah 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
Zephaniah 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Zephaniah 1:16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
Zephaniah 1:17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
Zephaniah 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.


Isaiah 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Isaiah 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

Isaiah 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isaiah 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Isaiah 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Isaiah 13:12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

Isaiah 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.


The total peace you are going to realize when you come to terms with all flesh being done away with at the return of Christ. All will be changed from their "flesh, coruptibe bodies, to their spiritual INCORUPTIBLE bodies" (some with immortality, some still mortal) All that "wrath" God will bring down on the world is going to be 'physical' to the earth, but 'spiritual' to souls. If you will have not worshipped the beast, you will be going with the sheep and it will be a wonderful millennium. Poor goats. 1000 yrs is a long time. But if you were deceived, you will be so embarrassed, so shamed, (wanting mountains to fall on you to cover you from so much shame).



Which trump contains the 7 bowls? The seventh.
1Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Do you see it??? The Lord is returning, we are changed into incorruptible bodies, then WRATH of God. And even though there will be no more death until the lake of fire, the wrath coming to the earth WONT TOUCH YOU. GOD ISN'T MAD AT YOU. HE IS MAD AT ALL THOSE WHO WERE DECEIVED BY SATAN BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO LOVE THE TRUTH OF HIS WORD. PUT IT ON, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED IT. WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT WE TEACH AND HOW IT EFFECTS THE LIVES OF THOSE WE TEACH. JUDGMENT WILL START WITH US.
1Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victor

 

[DeighAnn]

The above is false! As previously stated, those who take part in the resurrection, will be judged at the Bema Seat of Christ. There will also be a judgment of the sheep and the goats when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age. The judgment that you mentioned above is the great white throne judgment, which is a judgment for the unrighteous dead and which takes place after the millennial kingdom. They will be resurrected, their spirits being released from Hades and they will stand before God at the great white throne and anyone's name not found in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. No believer in Christ will be judged at this judgement.

When Jesus returns the Judgment will be super simple. You will either HAVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST or YOU WONT.