Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

All men are liars. I guess were all going to hell. Revelation 21:8. Learn what these words mean “ such WERE some of you.

Easy believism. No repentance necessary

See......this is a prime example of why I have you on ignore because you are nothing but a liar and deceiver that embellishes what we say with your own twist....make no mistake...your actions belie a man not led of God!

No one peddles the above bolded and you are too dense to understand that everyone in Christ fits the "WERE" group EVEN THOUGH they are STILL PRESENT TENSE LAW BREAKERS in the FLESH.....

But, by all means carry on with your ignorance and false pretense!

 

[blue_ladybug]

I've had my iced coffee. My sinless perfection is safe for another day.. lol

 

[Macabeus]

Thats law speak, if that can cause us to lose salvation, then an animal must die to bring redemption, no amount of repentance will save you,

As scripture says, without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness

and since only jesus blood can wash away sin, that means jesus has to die again. Which is never going to happen, so they would be lost forever for that one sin that caused death.

They do not understand the law or what is required.

Repentance is not law speak, it is grace speak. Your theology is upside down

 

[dcontroversal]

I love he says he does not teach works, and he appears to be true in saying that, then he slips, and you see works are there in the background

He can fool some people, but those who pay close attention will not be fooled.thats why we must keep a sharp eye out,

He is not fooling any of us.......he is a flat out deceiver........

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You come here and state "works have no part in salvation" and then you write this......so contradictory.

Like I stated you reveal your true beliefs ...before I thought you were trying to straddle the two lanes of grace and works but now I know you are actually only in the "my performance saves me" lane.

He does not understand true repentance

He thinks a person can get saved without it, then he calls us easy believists.

He condems others by saying his sin is ok, because he feels bad, it was just an oopsie..

Fact is, no one who has yet to repent has true faith in christ. They still have yet to give up part of self, thus In reality their faith is still in. Self. Not christ.

 

[UnderGrace]

REPENTANCE is not a meritorious work any more than faith is. You all show dismal ignorance of the nature of regeneration

What I read is regeneration according to Catholicism .... lather... rinse... repeat

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He is not fooling any of us.......he is a flat out deceiver........

Yep, and some of us saw that right away

 

[Macabeus]

See......this is a prime example of why i have you on ignore because you are nothing but a liar and deceiver that embellishes what we say with your own twist....make no mistake...your actions belie a man not led of God!

No one peddles the above and you are too dense to understand that everyone in Christ fits the "WERE" group EVEN THOUGH they are STILL PRESENT TENSE LAW BREAKERS in the FLESH.....

But by all means carry on with your ignorance and false pretense!

You once said a believer can be an unrepentant fornicator. That shows ignorance of 1 Cor 6:9-11

 

[Macabeus]

What I read is regeneration according to Catholicism .... lather... rinse... repeat

Oh, repentance is only for Catholics. Thanks for clarifying

 

[dcontroversal]

No your view is lawlessness. unrepentant fornicators go to heaven. You said so yourself

Another lie....man your salvation is not looking good pal.......THE only case I have made was PAUL telling the Corinthian ASSEMBLY to cut the FORNICATING BROTHER loose for the DESTRUCTION of the FLESH so the SPIRIT would be SAVED.

You are very deceptive man.....and NOT of GOD by your practice and or lies that you spread!

 

[dcontroversal]

Well...I need to touch up a chain and then got cut a tree down for a neighbor.......be back later.....keep swinging against deceivers like Macaroni.........his blather leads people astray and his deception and or inability to be honest goes beyond the norm.

 

[Macabeus]

Well we know if they HAD eternal life, it is still eternal, even today,

If they did not HAVE eternal life, they never had it, and nothing changed.

Where does the text say they had eternal life.

 

[Macabeus]

Another lie....man your salvation is not looking good pal.......THE only case I have made was PAUL telling the Corinthian ASSEMBLY to cut the FORNICATING BROTHER loose for the DESTRUCTION of the FLESH so the SPIRIT would be SAVED.

You are very deceptive man.....and NOT of GOD by your practice and or lies that you spread!

WRONG!!!!

Post 786 how much faith, how much works

Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.


DC- Notice...he does not say they are not in the kingdom.....Just like the one that teaches and does not do..he is called the least in the KINGDOM.....NOTE>>>>DOES NOT DO but TEACHES IT.....

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...th-how-much-works.184373/page-40#post-3926060

You said whoremongers, unclean people, covetous, and idolaters are in the Kingdom, according to you.

You want to know the problem with that?

a. Everyone who believes overcomes the world

b. Everyone who overcomes inherits all things

c. Therefore all believers inherit all things.

Unrepentant fornicators and idolaters are not believers. BECAUSE...

a. Believes inherit all things.

b. But UNREPENTANT fornicators and idolaters DO NOT (1 Cor. 6:9-11)

c. it continues..."and such WERE some of you.

Repentance and regeneration is not a meritorious work on our part. You do greatly err not knowing the scriptures or the power of God.

 

[Macabeus]

Well...I need to touch up a chain and then got cut a tree down for a neighbor.......be back later.....keep swinging against deceivers like Macaroni.........his blather leads people astray and his deception and or inability to be honest goes beyond the norm.

Another lie....man your salvation is not looking good pal.......THE only case I have made was PAUL telling the Corinthian ASSEMBLY to cut the FORNICATING BROTHER loose for the DESTRUCTION of the FLESH so the SPIRIT would be SAVED.

You are very deceptive man.....and NOT of GOD by your practice and or lies that you spread!

WRONG!!!!

Post 786

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...th-how-much-works.184373/page-40#post-3926060

Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

DC said in reply... Notice...he does not say they are not in the kingdom.....Just like the one that teaches and does not do..he is called the least in the KINGDOM.....NOTE>>>>DOES NOT DO but TEACHES IT.....

So they are not inheriters, but they are in the Kingdom, according to you. But John says that everyone who believes overcomes, and everyone who overcomes inherits all things.

Your position is sub-biblical

 

[Macabeus]

Yep, and some of us saw that right away

Ad hominems.

Deceivers say you can be in the Kingdom and not inherit the kingdom.


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Post 786

Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

DCONTROVERSAL said in reply... Notice...he does not say they are not in the kingdom.....Just like the one that teaches and does not do..he is called the least in the KINGDOM.....NOTE>>>>DOES NOT DO but TEACHES IT.....

 

[Macabeus]

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...th-how-much-works.184373/page-40#post-3926060


I remember you never replied when I called you out on this.

 

[Melach]

Your actions reveal the state of your heart. We are not sinless. But you are on a slippery slope with such questions

Easy believism equals NO REPENTANCE NECESSARY. And that is the position you have taken

i didnt say im gonna lie right now. i was asking a hypothetical question. u cant answer my question you know why friend? because if you answer yes then you realize that hmm. that means any sin i commit and die 20minutes later i go to hell and thats catholicism where you have to die in state of grace or hell purgatory

i try last time: yes or no? i go to hell if i lie now and die 20mins later? since liars go to lake of fire.

i also didnt say no repentance necessary. repentance is necessary as Jesus says luke 24:47 and st.paul says in acts 20:21 repentance and faith towards God.

you are we are not sinless, but we must be according to revelation the verse u quoted or we go to lake of fire. what shall we do? maybe check theology again. i know where you are i came from works salvation i know how it works.

 

[Melach]

No one peddles the above bolded and you are too dense to understand that everyone in Christ fits the "WERE" group EVEN THOUGH they are STILL PRESENT TENSE LAW BREAKERS in the FLESH.....

im also ignorant of this. how can it be were if they are still present tense doing it in the flesh?

 

[Macabeus]

i didnt say im gonna lie right now. i was asking a hypothetical question. u cant answer my question you know why friend? because if you answer yes then you realize that hmm. that means any sin i commit and die 20minutes later i go to hell and thats catholicism where you have to die in state of grace or hell purgatory

i try last time: yes or no? i go to hell if i lie now and die 20mins later? since liars go to lake of fire.

i also didnt say no repentance necessary. repentance is necessary as Jesus says luke 24:47 and st.paul says in acts 20:21 repentance and faith towards God.

you are we are not sinless, but we must be according to revelation the verse u quoted or we go to lake of fire. what shall we do? maybe check theology again. i know where you are i came from works salvation i know how it works.

When I said "your action" I did not means you personally. It was a generic statement, your actions, my actions, everyone's actions reveal the state of our heart. And I am not talking about losing salvation. I am talking about a truly regenerate person in contrast with a NOMINAL BELIEVER.

 

[Macabeus]

im also ignorant of this. how can it be were if they are still present tense doing it in the flesh?

Yeah, and according to DC we can be unrepentant idolators and fornicators and still be in the kingdom.

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