Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from Your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”
But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
(Genesis 4:13-16)
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does "Israel" = "under Sinai covenant" ?
Jacob himself wasn't.
Romans 9 tells us, not all Israel is Israel -- but the distinction made there is not 'only the ones who keep Moses' Law are actually Israel' -- in fact,
this is not a distinction made by works of law - even Abraham did not have the law - but again, by faith, and as Paul explains in Romans 9, by God's election - speaking of Jacob & Esau, before they were even born or had done anything. so it is not by our will, or effort, or desire, but by God who has mercy on whom He will.
now, the faith of Abraham brought about obedience to God: and his obedience brought blessing on him. but the reward of righteousness, and the sonship, and the promise, is by faith, and by the Lord's own purpose: Him who calls, is He who sanctifies and purposes.
phrasing this all as though whoever has faith does no good work, or as though being made sons of Abraham means being brought under the Sinai covenant and the curse of the law, is illegitimate. that is not how scripture speaks of these things, not at all.
Jacob himself wasn't.
Romans 9 tells us, not all Israel is Israel -- but the distinction made there is not 'only the ones who keep Moses' Law are actually Israel' -- in fact,
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone.
(Romans 9:30-31)
the distinction is made with regard to faith. prior to this, immediately after making the statement about 'all Israel' Paul shows that the scripture defines a separation many times, the promise being made to Abraham, and after him to sons of Abraham. (Romans 9:30-31)
Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham.
(Galatians 3:7)
this is not a distinction made by works of law - even Abraham did not have the law - but again, by faith, and as Paul explains in Romans 9, by God's election - speaking of Jacob & Esau, before they were even born or had done anything. so it is not by our will, or effort, or desire, but by God who has mercy on whom He will.
now, the faith of Abraham brought about obedience to God: and his obedience brought blessing on him. but the reward of righteousness, and the sonship, and the promise, is by faith, and by the Lord's own purpose: Him who calls, is He who sanctifies and purposes.
phrasing this all as though whoever has faith does no good work, or as though being made sons of Abraham means being brought under the Sinai covenant and the curse of the law, is illegitimate. that is not how scripture speaks of these things, not at all.
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sure their is a " jewish Sabbath. " it was only commanded for them to keep it, gentiles were and are never under the Law.
and, you know, God did invent seven day week with one day of rest ( Christians keep the Lord's Day, as in John " in the Sprit on the Lord's Day") and God placed the Sabbath in the covenant at Sinai. it was His idea, so when God said " my Sabbaths", they were His, and He gave instrctions to the jews ( only) to keep them
and, you know, God did invent seven day week with one day of rest ( Christians keep the Lord's Day, as in John " in the Sprit on the Lord's Day") and God placed the Sabbath in the covenant at Sinai. it was His idea, so when God said " my Sabbaths", they were His, and He gave instrctions to the jews ( only) to keep them
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No one is against the 10 commandments here.
The only thing that Christians are against is working at the 10 commandments in their own strength and understanding (imagination).
The blindness is toward Christ not toward the Old Testament.
You don't have to bring up the law of Moses to teach your kids right from wrong.
The only thing that Christians are against is working at the 10 commandments in their own strength and understanding (imagination).
The blindness is toward Christ not toward the Old Testament.
You don't have to bring up the law of Moses to teach your kids right from wrong.
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It appears, or seems to appear, to these eyes anyway, and perhaps others, who read this, that either, by not being educated "in the Way", or like so many that God, in His choosing of Gideon's army, cupped the water in their hands and carefully sifted out those parts of the water that they would not drink?Are not understanding much, are you?
So many believers, these days? In "false adherence" to the "LAW OF LOVE". that covers a multitude of sin? No longer give any thought, or thoughts concerning that which sin, or sins, that "love" doesn't cover! Yea, in actual practice, just like the pharasee's in Jesus' day? The sin/s, that love doesn't cover? Gather their forces within the believer, and are now DEMANDING that their sin/s be covered BY THE BELIEVER, WITHIN the believer! To the point, that when a believer accepts Jesus as one's Lord and Savior? Is not the question asked of the believer! Apostasy has come so far now, that the question is asked: "Do you accept Jesus Christ as your PERSONAL Lord and Savior?"
Do you see the difference? Can you see the difference? (read on)
That by including that ONE word "PERSONAL?" What has ACTUALLY taken place? Is that the WHOLE GOVERNMENT of the Kingdom of God, and Kingdom of Light? HAS BEEN STRIPPED from of the Savior's shoulder!
1 Corinthians 12
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, GOVERNMENTS, diversities of tongues.
When "curches of stone" Strip the government FROM the shoulders of Christ?
1 Corinthians 12
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it;
Yea! And SUFFERING, is what's taking place!
1 Corinthians 12
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
This is why Peter says:
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, ACCEPTABLE to God BY Jesus Christ.
One CANNOT "toss" the gift of GOVERNMENTS aside! It is an ESSENTIAL stone in ones' "Spiritual House!"
Are you asking does "love" cover one's wearing cotton/polyester blends?
Would it not be of more benefit to the believer concerning sin/s that love DOESN'T cover?
For a SURETY! Love doesn't cover EVERYTHING!
Am "stealing" eek part of this excerpt that was posted earlier. In hopes of clarifying that which many "see" as "Hebrew Roots!
Before we can live the unmixed life, and belong no longer to the carnal but to the spiritual Christians, we must be willing to know the extent of the mixedness in our own character, for what the eye does not see the heart will not grieve over. Before we invite God to search us, let us pause and ask whether we are willing that He should make a thorough work of this self-discovery, however painful and humbling it may be. If not, we had better not begin; for it is better to be without the light than to possess it and be disobedient.
This, which is seen as "Hebrew Roots?" In many ways? Is not!
But, what it is, is Pursuits of God, in and by Christ (upon one's being confessed to God, BY Christ), in the SEPARATION , or a more better way of explaining the DISTANCING of ourselves FROM the pharasee's, spoken through the mouths of the actual pharasee's in their confrontations AGAINST Messiah!
John 8
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
50 AND I SEEK NOT OF MINE OWN GLORY: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
Christianity today, seems to seek the Glory OF Christ, and in so doing REJECT HIM, who SENT Christ.
Elstwise, you would "see" this "Holy Priesthood", and strive TOWARDS that end! Therefore ceasing this condemnation of this "Holy Priesthood" of God's!
And therefore, "close the gaps", that those within the believer, do condemn this Priesthood. And then, slink away, in their heart's.
Thus, leaving the believer to become offended, because, "there is now no condemnation, to those who are in Christ!"
"for what the eye does not see the heart will not grieve over."
eek part of this excerpt that was posted earlier. In hopes of clarifying that which many "see" as "Hebrew Roots!Before we can live the unmixed life, and belong no longer to the carnal but to the spiritual Christians, we must be willing to know the extent of the mixedness in our own character, for what the eye does not see the heart will not grieve over. Before we invite God to search us, let us pause and ask whether we are willing that He should make a thorough work of this self-discovery, however painful and humbling it may be. If not, we had better not begin; for it is better to be without the light than to possess it and be disobedient.
This, which is seen as "Hebrew Roots?" In many ways? Is not!
But, what it is, is Pursuits of God, in and by Christ (upon one's being confessed to God, BY Christ), in the SEPARATION , or a more better way of explaining the DISTANCING of ourselves FROM the pharasee's, spoken through the mouths of the actual pharasee's in their confrontations AGAINST Messiah!
John 8
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
50 AND I SEEK NOT OF MINE OWN GLORY: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
Christianity today, seems to seek the Glory OF Christ, and in so doing REJECT HIM, who SENT Christ.
Elstwise, you would "see" this "Holy Priesthood", and strive TOWARDS that end! Therefore ceasing this condemnation of this "Holy Priesthood" of God's!
And therefore, "close the gaps", that those within the believer, do condemn this Priesthood. And then, slink away, in their heart's.
Thus, leaving the believer to become offended, because, "there is now no condemnation, to those who are in Christ!"
"for what the eye does not see the heart will not grieve over."
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It is written:
Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the
Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (Matthew 5:17)
The Word of GOD is One & Indivisible, whether spoken by Jesus or Paul.
Kindly mind 2nd Peter 3:16. and check out St. Paul's Epistles by the Gospels.
GOD bless you.
Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the
Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (Matthew 5:17)
The Word of GOD is One & Indivisible, whether spoken by Jesus or Paul.
Kindly mind 2nd Peter 3:16. and check out St. Paul's Epistles by the Gospels.
GOD bless you.
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It appears, or seems to appear, to these eyes anyway, and perhaps others, who read this, that either, by not being educated "in the Way", or like so many that God, in His choosing of Gideon's army, cupped the water in their hands and carefully sifted out those parts of the water that they would not drink?Are not understanding much, are you?
So many believers, these days? In "false adherence" to the "LAW OF LOVE". that covers a multitude of sin? No longer give any thought, or thoughts concerning that which sin, or sins, that "love" doesn't cover! Yea, in actual practice, just like the pharasee's in Jesus' day? The sin/s, that love doesn't cover? Gather their forces within the believer, and are now DEMANDING that their sin/s be covered BY THE BELIEVER, WITHIN the believer! To the point, that when a believer accepts Jesus as one's Lord and Savior? Is not the question asked of the believer! Apostasy has come so far now, that the question is asked: "Do you accept Jesus Christ as your PERSONAL Lord and Savior?"
Do you see the difference? Can you see the difference? (read on)
That by including that ONE word "PERSONAL?" What has ACTUALLY taken place? Is that the WHOLE GOVERNMENT of the Kingdom of God, and Kingdom of Light? HAS BEEN STRIPPED from of the Savior's shoulder!
1 Corinthians 12
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, GOVERNMENTS, diversities of tongues.
When "curches of stone" Strip the government FROM the shoulders of Christ?
1 Corinthians 12
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it;
Yea! And SUFFERING, is what's taking place!
1 Corinthians 12
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
This is why Peter says:
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, ACCEPTABLE to God BY Jesus Christ.
One CANNOT "toss" the gift of GOVERNMENTS aside! It is an ESSENTIAL stone in ones' "Spiritual House!"
Are you asking does "love" cover one's wearing cotton/polyester blends?
Would it not be of more benefit to the believer concerning sin/s that love DOESN'T cover?
For a SURETY! Love doesn't cover EVERYTHING!
you asked
"Are you asking does "love" cover one's wearing cotton/polyester blends?"
no, I am not asking that.
I am asking this: Are you
saying that this commandment
Deuteronomy 22: 11. You shall not wear a mixed stuff, wool and linen together.
Is part of the ceremonial law, or the civil law, not the moral law.
Another way to put it would be: is that commandment part of the moral law, in your view?
yes, the Spirit guides us in our daily lives! Amen to that! and yes, the spirit gives us understanding of the scriptures. Amen to that again!
but the spirit doesn't usually explain what other people have written on an internet forum such as this.
so I ask, in your view, is this commandment part of the moral law?
And peace be with you!
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Should we confess our sins after we get saved In order to STAY saved?
I say no but a person WILL confess to their FATHER In heaven because they respect HIM and are feeling sorry for a sin they might have committed In their walk but they were sealed the first time they confessed and GOD forgave them.
I say no but a person WILL confess to their FATHER In heaven because they respect HIM and are feeling sorry for a sin they might have committed In their walk but they were sealed the first time they confessed and GOD forgave them.
Agreed.
Here's just one passage saying so:
Leviticus 23:1-3 -
Feasts of the Lord
(Exodus 23:14-19)
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
So, it was "ISRAEL" (per verse 2) who was to "proclaim" this (and "keep" the sabbath/sabbaths)
[this is in contrast to that which "the Church which is His body" is to "PROCLAIM," as shown in 1 Corinthians 11:26, "For as often as YE eat this bread, and drink this cup, YE DO PROCLAIM the Lord's DEATH till He come" (that is, till He come for US ['the Church which is His body'], at which time, we will be corporately 'proclaiming' something else! )]
Here's just one passage saying so:
Leviticus 23:1-3 -
Feasts of the Lord
(Exodus 23:14-19)
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
So, it was "ISRAEL" (per verse 2) who was to "proclaim" this (and "keep" the sabbath/sabbaths)
[this is in contrast to that which "the Church which is His body" is to "PROCLAIM," as shown in 1 Corinthians 11:26, "For as often as YE eat this bread, and drink this cup, YE DO PROCLAIM the Lord's DEATH till He come" (that is, till He come for US ['the Church which is His body'], at which time, we will be corporately 'proclaiming' something else!
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I use Gods standard.
LOVE (Love God first and foremost, and your neighbor (including your enemy) second.
If you are tasked with a choice, and you chose self over God or your neighbor, You have sinned.
Also, look the to fruit of the spirit. Do you live those fruits out. if not, You have sinned
What does sin lead to? Well you may break one of the ten, You may commit other sins, which are not mentioned in the ten.
One thing is for sure, If you just look to the ten, and you think that is ALL you need to know.. You can live the most sinfull life and never even know it, because you are keeping the letter.
LOVE (Love God first and foremost, and your neighbor (including your enemy) second.
If you are tasked with a choice, and you chose self over God or your neighbor, You have sinned.
Also, look the to fruit of the spirit. Do you live those fruits out. if not, You have sinned
What does sin lead to? Well you may break one of the ten, You may commit other sins, which are not mentioned in the ten.
One thing is for sure, If you just look to the ten, and you think that is ALL you need to know.. You can live the most sinfull life and never even know it, because you are keeping the letter.
As Moses in Deuteronomy was re-explaining of the "Mosaic Agreement", or "conditions for being and remaining blessed, BY God, (aka Covenant) in simpler terms, that everyone from Moses to the "dung carrier" could understand and follow?
ALL of these commandments were NOT LAWS at ALL!
They were CONDITIONS to abide by, IF the followers of these CONDITIONS wished to remain in God's good graces.
A "CONTRACT", if you will!
The list in chapter 22, deals for the most part in civil matters.
The PURPOSE of this was to: "so thou shalt PUT away, and KEEP evil from among you."
So, this list in chapter22 and elsewheres, are in the performing and the keeping a "PREVENTIVE MAINTAINENCE" program up and running, for some 3 1/2 - 5 MILLION people! (and growing!)
"A Primer", if you will!
So?
Civil? YES! Flesh? YES! But, included therein, with more sinister serious Spiritual implications, and repercussions, in the matter of driving a wedge between "Church and State!" In the case with Deuteronomy, and elsewhere? Flesh and Spirit!
God bless you!
ALL of these commandments were NOT LAWS at ALL!
They were CONDITIONS to abide by, IF the followers of these CONDITIONS wished to remain in God's good graces.
A "CONTRACT", if you will!
The list in chapter 22, deals for the most part in civil matters.
The PURPOSE of this was to: "so thou shalt PUT away, and KEEP evil from among you."
So, this list in chapter22 and elsewheres, are in the performing and the keeping a "PREVENTIVE MAINTAINENCE" program up and running, for some 3 1/2 - 5 MILLION people! (and growing!)
"A Primer", if you will!
So?
Civil? YES! Flesh? YES! But, included therein, with more sinister serious Spiritual implications, and repercussions, in the matter of driving a wedge between "Church and State!" In the case with Deuteronomy, and elsewhere? Flesh and Spirit!
God bless you!