Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[Lafftur]

If Jesus is The Law and you have not The Law, then you have not Jesus.

However, Jesus is not the Law, so your argument is moot.

Yeshua/Jesus is the Human Fulfillment of the Law for us. In his "human" 33 1/2 years, He fulfilled all the law requirements for us and He freely gives His Righteousness (His fulfillment of the Law) to all that believe.

Yeshua/Jesus is also the Human Fulfillment of the Penalty of not obeying the Law for us.

His Blood pays our penalty and takes away our sin of disobedience.

His Body is the Law obeyed and fulfilled. "The Lord Our Righteousness!"

No one comes to the Father except through the Blood and Body of Yeshua/Jesus. Amen.

 

[UnderGrace]

We are under the law of the Spirit. This is the law of love. But this law is written on our hearts and our
minds. It is something that is eternal and will never fade.

When Paul talks about being under the law, he is talking about the law of Moses and all the temple
and ceremonial and food regulations, which related to the people of Israel. We are not bound by this.
In Jesus we have its fulfilment and live by the law of Spirit.

I think I agree with this if I am reading it correctly

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Yep.

And when you realise if you just answered some questions which could have opened up your eyes to how we REALLY are made christlike. You will not be able to resist anymore.

Now one person can have a revelation, it does not mean the revelation is not understood by others
and rejected or accepted.

When you spend time with people over a longer period you begin to see what they mean by their words
and actions. The sentences above are interesting.

Someone is not christ like because they need to see what it really means to be made christ like.
Once this revelation happens they will not be able to resist.

But in this proposition we never become christ like only appear to God to be christ like. Its like going
to a masked ball except the mask is the real you and you enter heaven because you are disguised.

Unfortunately for those who believe this, God sees the heart and wants resolution and love reigning in
the heart shown by behaviour before anything else progresses. On this front of pretending to be something
one is not Jesus said this about someone coming to the wedding feast not appropriately dressed

12 'Friend,' he asked, 'how did you get in here without wedding clothes?' The man was speechless.
13 "Then the king told the attendants, 'Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
Matt 22

No wedding clothes is pretending to repent and celebrate from the heart the King.
There is no pretence before the King of Kings, Amen.

 

[UnderGrace]

Yet those who find those who support the Law as something to keep and obey and use as the guide for right and wrong, good and evil, law and lawless, right up there with the Holy Spirit led life, have love in theirs.

Well now I read what you believe.

There very fact the temple was destroyed should tell you the law is not part of the Holy Spirit led life, that is trying to mix law and grace completely contrary to scripture.

"And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins." (5:37-38)

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Are we Christ like?

If the Holy Spirit dwells within you, yes certainly.

Who is it that after a few interactions can declare so and so is not christ like?
I am not used to this level of judgementalism. I would much rather embrace in love everyone
and believe the best of them, than condemn a brother or sister in Christ to hell, especially as this
is a sin against the Lord and standing in judgement of Him and His work.

Pauls answer to this kind of challenge was to test ourselves.

5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?
6 And I trust that you will discover that we have not failed the test.
2 Cor 13

This shows the emphasis, on the believe themselves. And if one is not interested in testing ones own
faith, that speaks for itself. God bless you.

 

[Karraster]

Hebrews 10;26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins.


Paul never said the law is dead, or nailed to the stake. That's what tickle the ear preachers have been selling us for (all my lifetime) ,,,read your bible, keep on reading don't just search for verses here and there that make you feel better about your own sin. If we do sin, repent and quit doing it!

 

[UnderGrace]

Hebrews 10;26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins.


Paul never said the law is dead, or nailed to the stake. That's what tickle the ear preachers have been selling us for (all my lifetime) ,,,read your bible, keep on reading don't just search for verses here and there that make you feel better about your own sin. If we do sin, repent and quit doing it!

Hebrews 10:26 is a verse that requires it full context.

Now you see Grace gives us the remedy for sin so it really has nothing to do with wanting to feel better about one's in.

 

[garee]

Yeshua/Jesus is the Human Fulfillment of the Law for us. In his "human" 33 1/2 years, He fulfilled all the law requirements for us and He freely gives His Righteousness (His fulfillment of the Law) to all that believe.

Yeshua/Jesus is also the Human Fulfillment of the Penalty of not obeying the Law for us.

His Blood pays our penalty and takes away our sin of disobedience.

His Body is the Law obeyed and fulfilled. "The Lord Our Righteousness!"

No one comes to the Father except through the Blood and Body of Yeshua/Jesus. Amen.

The written law 1/2 of the perfect ...plus the unseen law of faith ….the other 1/2... together make one new perfect law.

Yes the fulfillment of the perfect law. (two laws) One I believe would be the letter of the law that kills and two the spirit of the law as the law of faith bringing new life where there was none previously .

When mixed as spoken of in Hebrews 4 we can enter his sabbath rest from our own. Knowing we are yoked with him who ran the race and became our victor. Grab the Paton wait for the older guys.

The two laws are shown doing their work giving us simply ones His understanding .They we could never figure out by our own selves . What would we do if he did not bring to our minds the things the pervious things he has taught us , even as it has taught us, we shall abide in him.. Its one of the better things that does accompany salvation the witness of his word the teacher comforter and guide.

Romans 3:26-28 King James Version (KJV) To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. (Death)

Psalm 19:6-8 King James Version (KJV) His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

Who has that which they would share as a good understanding of the attributes of the different sources. (law...testimony....statues....commandments.... judgements ?

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Hebrews 10:26 is a verse that requires it full context.

Now you see Grace gives us the remedy for sin so it really has nothing to do with wanting to feel better about one's in.

There is truth that grace, the cross, repentance, sorrow, desiring to walk in righteousness, to flee
evil and do good, is the remedy. And the reason we want to repent and be forgiven is because
of guilt, the conviction of sin, which is Gods work in our hearts.

And if we continued to feel guilt and condemnation, yes we would desire to do works salvation, to
try and balance the evil deeds with good deeds as many have fallen into. But it takes faith and
the Holy Spirit to take away our burden so we can walk free.

So I am confused with your response UnderGrace. Paul says this about sin and its conviction

8 Even if I caused you sorrow by my letter, I do not regret it. Though I did regret it--I see that my letter hurt you, but only for a little while--
9 yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because your sorrow led you to repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us.
10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
11 See what this godly sorrow has produced in you: what earnestness, what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what longing, what concern, what readiness to see justice done. At every point you have proved yourselves to be innocent in this matter.
2 Cor 7

Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation.

The blood of christ cleanses our consciences

22 let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful.
24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds.
Heb 10

Amen

 

[DeighAnn]

Do you think when Satan stole 1/3 of Gods children he did it by convincing every one that they should follow him because he was prettier? He was more creative? He could giv'em more? Or do you think God gave us a big fat in your face hint when He told us

Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

 

[SimpleGardner]

Brethren who pledge fidelity to Jesus and His commandments through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, I have read your rational from the scriptures and I find it sound. Please be careful not to allow constant rebuttal to every presentation of sound doctrine you give diminish in any way your eagerness and enthusiasm to reach for these sound doctrines. If the fail to reach those who challenge our understanding find a heart that hungers and thirsts after righteousness rather than one that argues against our understanding of how righteousness is pursued.
Desires to keep Gods Commandments comes directly from His Holy Spirit. Any argument to dissuade a man who is led to live according to the will of God has a disquieting signature. So rather than follow the error that took place in the Garden, follow the example of Jesus in the wilderness who was knowledgeable of and obedient to the Laws of God. He was ready to give answer to error from His personal studies of the Book of the Law. All sin comes either from the whispers of the adversary or as James said;

Jas 1:12-15 KJV Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. (13) Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: (14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. (15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.


I find only one description of how to love Jesus:

Joh 14:21 KJV He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

If I have missed any please let me know.

 

[DeighAnn]

1108 gnosis knowledge, doctrine, wisdom


Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
Luke 11:53 And as he said these things unto them, the scribes and the Pharisees began to urge him vehemently, and to provoke him to speak of many things:
Luke 11:54 Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.

 

[DeighAnn]

Matthew 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Matthew 12:44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Matthew 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

That man should have filled himself up with the wisdom and knowledge of God and known to rebuke that evil spirit. And back then all they had was the law and the prophets.

 

[Dan_473]

Hello?

Anybody?

I sense a real reluctance on the part of many people who say that they keep the moral part of the law to talk about the details of those laws. Why is this? My feeling is that it is because on some level people are aware that which laws are moral and how they are kept in practice comes down to things like personal opinions and common Sense.

I am bummed that some of my Christian brothers and sisters feel uneasy about talking about some aspect of their faith.

I want for myself and those around me to have the feeling of
I'm a Christian ask me anything about it!

I would have to agree 100% that I would love for men to do unto me as I have done unto them. but teenagers requiring to get married , I didn't mention anything like that so I don't know the situation you are speaking of. It would be so nice, NO, it will be so nice once the eternal life begins and all evil has been burnt away and no one is doing anything underhanded and you can trust everyone and you do receive what you put out. I can't hardly wait!!!!! Seriously, I am sooo excited for Satan to get here so we can just get it over with already. I could use a good beheading. Not going to miss this body at all. Please don't get me started.

The teenage marriage is one of the things I was talking about in the post above

Here's the commandant I was referring to
Exodus 22: 16. "If a man entices a virgin who isn't pledged to be married, and lies with her, he shall surely pay a dowry for her to be his wife. 17. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.

 

[Dan_473]

I was married less that a week after my mom and dad found out I was living with someone. No lie I tried to avoid it, Most likely why I found this question second.

Are you still married to the same person?

 

[DeighAnn]

I find only one description of how to love Jesus:

Is it good or is it evil to take

The teenage marriage is one of the things I was talking about in the post above

Here's the commandant I was referring to
Exodus 22: 16. "If a man entices a virgin who isn't pledged to be married, and lies with her, he shall surely pay a dowry for her to be his wife. 17. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.

Let's take a step back and see if we can meet in the middle. I am going to exaggerate to make a point. You no law, me moses law.

In steps Jesus, you are getting rules etched into your heart and mind love God, don't even think another God, don't steal, murder,... Me I am getting these laws like you are quoting up to erased from my list of rules to follow and I am getting the same stuff on my heart as you are.

I really love God and I love the Comforter He sent to me, AND I like the stuff written on my heart. Who are you?

 

[UnderGrace]

Brethren who pledge fidelity to Jesus and His commandments through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, I have read your rational from the scriptures and I find it sound. Please be careful not to allow constant rebuttal to every presentation of sound doctrine you give diminish in any way your eagerness and enthusiasm to reach for these sound doctrines. If the fail to reach those who challenge our understanding find a heart that hungers and thirsts after righteousness rather than one that argues against our understanding of how righteousness is pursued.
Desires to keep Gods Commandments comes directly from His Holy Spirit. Any argument to dissuade a man who is led to live according to the will of God has a disquieting signature. So rather than follow the error that took place in the Garden, follow the example of Jesus in the wilderness who was knowledgeable of and obedient to the Laws of God. He was ready to give answer to error from His personal studies of the Book of the Law. All sin comes either from the whispers of the adversary or as James said;

Jas 1:12-15 KJV Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. (13) Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: (14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. (15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.


I find only one description of how to love Jesus:

Joh 14:21 KJV He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

If I have missed any please let me know.

Since you have made your doctrine clearer now.... are you also of the belief that keeping the law will sanctify you?

Are you stating that righteousness comes by keeping the law?

 

[DeighAnn]

Are you still married to the same person?

No. And here is the last thing I will share about my personal life because I feel it is an important point. My husband died of Prostate Cancer 7 months after they found him in stage 4 because he would not go get a rectal exam, even though he started getting up in the middle of the night to pee. No sorry. Not for me, not for him.

 

[Dino246]

I understand why he used the term gaslighted.

I think in this forum, and I am definitely not the first to notice this, there is a group of participants who share very similar doctrinal views. They tend to gang up against anyone who offers a different perspective thru using negative words like "baseless, you are preaching a false doctrine, I am not sure you are really saved", and so on and so forth. They also tend to like one another's post.

In the end, this forum sometimes feels like an echo chamber, and I understand that can be discouraging to others who want to share different viewpoints.

Liking each others' posts is just what happens on this kind of forum. Such behavior is not limited to those who happen to disagree with you.

Paul was very vocal about discouraging those who wanted to share "different viewpoints" where such contradicted the gospel. I don't see why people who hold to the same views as Paul's opponents should be treated any differently.

I'm not aware of any "ganging up". I don't communicate with others privately about how best to tackle the Judaizers' arguments. I just happen to think the arguments are contrary to the gospel, and so I challenge them. I happen to agree with certain comments made by others as they challenge the contrary postings. If others are ganging up, the same can be said of those with who you agree.

Remember, any broad-brush criticism you throw at others may be thrown back at you.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Since you have made your doctrine clearer now.... are you also of the belief that keeping the law will sanctify you?

Are you stating that righteousness comes by keeping the law?

So what exactly is sanctification to you?