Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[seed_time_harvest]

When a discussion yields no fruit to either side it has become an argument. When an argument involves one side justifiying abuse then you have irrational behavior which is essentially chaos. (symptom of lawlessness)

Those who can see this should consider isolating out (ignoring) those who turn the discussion into a chaotic abusive argument and continuing private productive discussions.

Jesus spoke of kicking the dust off of your feet. Maybe they will consider doing the same if they are convinced they are right.

Those who can see this should consider isolating out (ignoring) those who turn the discussion into a chaotic abusive argument and continuing private productive discussions.
what spirit Is this of?
If you were on the other side giving this kind of statement they Might would ask why didn't you take your own advice either way It's not the right spirit.

 

[PennEd]

When a discussion yields no fruit to either side it has become an argument. When an argument involves one side justifiying abuse then you have irrational behavior which is essentially chaos. (symptom of lawlessness)

Those who can see this should consider isolating out (ignoring) those who turn the discussion into a chaotic abusive argument and continuing private productive discussions.

Jesus spoke of kicking the dust off of your feet. Maybe they will consider doing the same if they are convinced they are right.

We ALL need to be more loving in our doctrinal disagreements with one another, however how you define "abuse" may vastly differ with how others define it.

 

[lightbearer]

I don't understand, you didn't read my post so you replied with a contextless misapplication ?

What was posted is the God lead Spiritual answer to as why your post was in error.

 

[SimpleGardner]

We ALL need to be more loving in our doctrinal disagreements with one another, however how you define "abuse" may vastly differ with how others define it.

Without a doubt.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It’s getting too easy to find them

The part that hurts is it should be evident to them but it’s not.

 

[posthuman]

What was posted is the God lead Spiritual answer to as why your post was in error.

Lol how do you boast like that when you said you didn't even read the post you supposedly made a spiritual reply to?

 

[posthuman]

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:6-8 KJV)

((fixed by removing your interjected additions to the scripture))

Doesn't this mean "stop trying to measure people's salvation by their works"

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[CharliRenee]

If we love God with all our hearts, minds and souls, and we love each other, all of the law of moses will be fulfilled.

Love, true Godly love, given from Him, keeps us from lying, stealing, cheating, worshipping other idols, taking His name in vain, even resting in Him... all of it makes sense where love abounds.

I think none of us love as we are called, definitely not all the time. This is why we will always need His mercy. I am so thankful for Him!!

Love blesses us with feeling good often, but it blesses us with action more, imo. It is so important and I pray that He fills us up with Himself, so there is more love in thought, word, and action, and less self, less lack of love.

 

[Dan_473]

Yes, I can. In most cultures a non-virgin is not considered marriageable. So if a man lay with a woman he must marry her, or she becomes a spinster. Only a father or the bride, if she can convince her father, can put a stop to it. Of course, they would not unless he was too unsuitable for husband material.

In most cultures? is the culture that one lives in taken into consideration when deciding if it is a moral law or not?

Hello?

Anybody?

I sense a real reluctance on the part of many people who say that they keep the moral part of the law to talk about the details of those laws. Why is this? My feeling is that it is because on some level people are aware that which laws are moral and how they are kept in practice comes down to things like personal opinions and common Sense.

I am bummed that some of my Christian brothers and sisters feel uneasy about talking about some aspect of their faith.

I want for myself and those around me to have the feeling of
I'm a Christian ask me anything about it!

 

[FollowHisSteps]

If we love God with all our hearts, minds and souls, and we love each other, all of the law of moses will be fulfilled.

Love, true Godly love, given from Him, keeps us from lying, stealing, cheating, worshipping other idols, taking His name in vain, even resting in Him... all of it makes sense where love abounds.

I think none of us love as we are called, definitely not all the time. This is why we will always need His mercy. I am so thankful for Him!!

Love blesses us with feeling good often, but it blesses us with action more, imo. It is so important and I pray that He fills us up with Himself, so there is more love in thought, word, and action, and less self, less lack of love.

This subject makes me think about people who suffer from panic attacks.
To mitigate this they often avoid thinking about consequences and potential outcomes.

This creates a tension in spiritual life, where to face God, the burning fire, the purifying light,
that can cause us so much harm yet in Christ is our life and salvation.

Some who have grown up in churches were their message unfortunately was always on condemnation
and failure and not on the power of walking in Christs love. It makes me wonder if much of their
apparent disagreements are an emotional and personality expression put into faith, and then when other
people come with another emphasis, they must be wrong, rather than this is another strategy for coping
with these difficult awe inspiring issues of life and death.

Because I do not suffer from anxiety or abuse or carry wounds of a troubled past, I express my heart
where strength and victory may come from a place where it is not possible for others at the moment.

These issues are pertinent for me because a good friends daughter, who is in their early 20's is suffering
from depression and suicide attempts. They appeared to have a testimony of coming to Christ, yet the
simple pressures of life have become too much. Now for someone in this place, I would not have a probing
theological discussion with, but rather emphasis the support and healing found in Jesus.

It concerns me how some talk as if we are not fragile, and grasp a small part of what the Lord has for
us, and we all just need encouragement to walk closer and hunger for more of His reality.

God bless you.

 

[DeighAnn]

Hello?

Anybody?

I sense a real reluctance on the part of many people who say that they keep the moral part of the law to talk about the details of those laws. Why is this? My feeling is that it is because on some level people are aware that which laws are moral and how they are kept in practice comes down to things like personal opinions and common Sense.

I am bummed that some of my Christian brothers and sisters feel uneasy about talking about some aspect of their faith.

I want for myself and those around me to have the feeling of
I'm a Christian ask me anything about it!

This is what Jesus told us, as far as the law is concerned, Not the Mosaic "break one break them all written in stone" He is speaking of the New Covenant the one where His blood, not animal sacrifice of before where once a year where we would go to make atonement for our sins and the blood of animals washed us clean, Yes His blood washes us clean of our sins which we know are sins because sin is transgression of the law, and God is all about law and obedience and I will not go "lawless" in any context, would you ever forgo the Law knowing that it is in the commandment Jesus told us to keep?


Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.

Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Matthew 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

Matthew 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Hello?

Anybody?

I sense a real reluctance on the part of many people who say that they keep the moral part of the law to talk about the details of those laws. Why is this? My feeling is that it is because on some level people are aware that which laws are moral and how they are kept in practice comes down to things like personal opinions and common Sense.

I am bummed that some of my Christian brothers and sisters feel uneasy about talking about some aspect of their faith.

I want for myself and those around me to have the feeling of
I'm a Christian ask me anything about it!

I 100% agree with you. We need to know where we stand on behaviour, doing good and avoiding evil.
Unfortunately some have come to believe we are fallen creatures without resolution, so to talk about
evil is to be reminded of failure and thereby feel condemnation. But this is simply a lie told to people
who count the cost of resolution too high when compared with just staying as one is.

I once witnessed to someone who asked me not to continue because returning to church would hurt
too much. To know Jesus is to risk all, and fight through these lies that our minds throw up and find
Jesus. Emotions are our servants not our commanders. We are called to take captive all aspects of our
life to bring glory to the King, to know what it is to be alive in Him and in the Kingdom. Amen.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

It’s getting too easy to find them

The part that hurts is it should be evident to them but it’s not.

This is such a polarised statement, as if everything is obvious, one group and another group.
Yet each ones story is different, their history and how they have come to faith.

If one wants to create triggers to tar and feather people, that is what one will get, especially
if the approach is simplistic and offensive. Almost no one will share things they care about to
someone blazing swords and condemnation. Just look at children, they share there hurts and
problems with people they trust and care about.

As Christs ambassadors this is where we are called to be, the light of love and truth, that the
sincere can find, and hear the words of life the Jesus brings.

 

[DeighAnn]

I sense a real reluctance on the part of many people who say that they keep the moral part of the law to talk about the details of those laws. Why is this?

I think it is because they are like you said "common sense" the Spiritual written on the heart. When asked to get specific, it takes it back to the "written in stone do one do them all" conversation which is basically obsolete because that law was abolished as written that way and somehow it ends up in a circle of you cant have any law and be under grace and you have to pick one which many don't believe and it seems to become a battle of law, you are going to hell or no law you are going to hell or law you are going to heaven or no law you are going to heaven and it never seem to get past that point. What do you think? Would you like to discuss something else because if you would I would be more than happy to.

 

[SimpleGardner]

This is such a polarised statement, as if everything is obvious, one group and another group.
Yet each ones story is different, their history and how they have come to faith.

If one wants to create triggers to tar and feather people, that is what one will get, especially
if the approach is simplistic and offensive. Almost no one will share things they care about to
someone blazing swords and condemnation. Just look at children, they share there hurts and
problems with people they trust and care about.

As Christs ambassadors this is where we are called to be, the light of love and truth, that the
sincere can find, and hear the words of life the Jesus brings.

We have been given litmus tests for a reason my dear brother;

Joh 13:34-35 KJV A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (35) By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

This is a sign, but is does not mean that the opposite behavior warrants condemnation, in fact nothing does. But, as we follow the leading of the Holy Spirit we will necessarily "withdraw" from contentiousness and strife.

Jas 3:13-17 KJV Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. (14) But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. (15) This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. (16) For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. (17) But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

 

[DeighAnn]

We have been given litmus tests for a reason my dear brother;

Joh 13:34-35 KJV A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (35) By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

This is a sign, but is does not mean that the opposite behavior warrants condemnation, in fact nothing does. But, as we follow the leading of the Holy Spirit we will necessarily "withdraw" from contentiousness and strife.

Jas 3:13-17 KJV Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. (14) But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. (15) This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. (16) For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. (17) But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

Are you copying me? Just kidding. Post 1514, did you see it? Different words same sentiment.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

We have been given litmus tests for a reason my dear brother;

Joh 13:34-35 KJV A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (35) By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

This is a sign, but is does not mean that the opposite behavior warrants condemnation, in fact nothing does. But, as we follow the leading of the Holy Spirit we will necessarily "withdraw" from contentiousness and strife.

Jas 3:13-17 KJV Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. (14) But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. (15) This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. (16) For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. (17) But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

We are called to listen more than we speak.
I have found often when things are said, it is the method of speaking that often fails, not the intended
content. Two blessed people of God can see things that are not there and jump in as if there is a
battle to be had, when both end up being hurt and discouraged.

Letting people share and speak and then putting it into context often brings resolution.
Sometimes when a voice is silenced for so long, when people come to listen, it is recognition of value
rather than the content is what is needed. And thanks be to God, He loves all His people who gain new
revelations of His truth, no matter where they are in maturity. I always recognise how wonderful it is
when we find another part of the Lords work, what glory that we will see, in His eternal work that He
is doing is us and in one another, Praise His name, Amen.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

You find what you are looking for

Are we looking for those to bless and encourage or for enemies to expose and exclude from the
church?

We only see things one at a time. So if we want to meet those who hold a unclear view of Jesus,
we will. If we look for people to encourage, for things to bring glory to the name of Jesus we will.

That which detracts from Jesus we cannot change because that is not our doing but we can help
and shine where there is need and an open heart and that is where Jesus walks.

 

[Dan_473]

This is what Jesus told us, as far as the law is concerned, Not the Mosaic "break one break them all written in stone" He is speaking of the New Covenant the one where His blood, not animal sacrifice of before where once a year where we would go to make atonement for our sins and the blood of animals washed us clean, Yes His blood washes us clean of our sins which we know are sins because sin is transgression of the law, and God is all about law and obedience and I will not go "lawless" in any context, would you ever forgo the Law knowing that it is in the commandment Jesus told us to keep?


Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.

Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Matthew 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

Matthew 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

No, I wouldn't forgo the Law knowing that it is in the commandment Jesus told us to keep.

It's the details of how that is practiced I was interested in talking about. do you believe that the girl has to marry the boy she made a mistake with in the backseat of a Chevy or she has broken God's moral law?

 

[Dan_473]

I think it is because they are like you said "common sense" the Spiritual written on the heart. When asked to get specific, it takes it back to the "written in stone do one do them all" conversation which is basically obsolete because that law was abolished as written that way and somehow it ends up in a circle of you cant have any law and be under grace and you have to pick one which many don't believe and it seems to become a battle of law, you are going to hell or no law you are going to hell or law you are going to heaven or no law you are going to heaven and it never seem to get past that point. What do you think? Would you like to discuss something else because if you would I would be more than happy to.

Well, actually, when I said common sense I was thinking of the kind of common sense that is common to all humans Christian or not.

But yes, I do agree that the spirit rights God's law on our hearts!
And when I look at what is written on my heart it is more like this

Matthew 7: 12. Therefore whatever you desire for men to do to you, you shall also do to them; for this is the law and the prophets.

it isn't so much about things like requiring teenagers to get married in certain situations. I know I would not have wanted someone forcing me to get married in that situation!