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The two people and others in question disagree with you, they teach it does give remission of sin. That is what this OP is about sis.
I know you guys want to declare the book complete, but I can’t see how this can be.
It’s still being written by the Acts of the body of Jesus Christ on this earth. Never stopped and won’t until He comes. Then all things new.
Or you don’t believe this?
If so...not my problem.
Yes, I realize that but I thought it was just one.
That’s why I said we agree.
Later. Been on way too long.
But I do love being here with you all. Even those who try to trip me up..
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eternally-gratefull
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So.
God started writhing the book 4 to 5 thousand years ago with the hands of moses (some believe it was older. As Moses used things concerning creation which made it through the flood.) but either way, at least 4000 years ago
He spent 2000 years at the very least. Meticulously putting it together. Then stopped.
But he was not finished, he still has more to reveal. He just does it through men by word of mouth, Not by inspired men as moved by God who wrote his words down?
I am sorry sis, But I can not agree, If God wanted us to know more. He would have continued. You do not stop after thousands of years only to leave it unfinished.
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eternally-gratefull
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I would not think people are trying to trip you up. Just give you a different view to contemplate. If you think people are just trying to trip you up. You will defensively look at things always trying to see who is trying to decieve you, instead of offensively looking and being open. So you may learn something.Yes, I realize that but I thought it was just one.
That’s why I said we agree.
Later. Been on way too long.
Am thinking that Johns baptism of water before Jesus died and resurrected could of been “for” remission of sin. The reason being animal sacrifices never gave freedom beyond that one year and had to be repeated. Plus Johns baptism might have been a different baptism. I want to further explore this. The reason I say this is because they had many washings. Johns was the preparation for Messiah to come. Was it a sign? Never before done?
But, the scriptures that use the word remission after the resurrection state it’s repentance and His blood that gives remission or freedom from our sin.
There is one in the KJV that hints at water baptism and remission.
Act 2:38 Then G1161 Peter G4074 said G5346 unto G4314 them, G846 Repent, G3340 and G2532 be baptized G907 every one G1538 of you G5216 in G1909 the G3588 name G3686 of Jesus G2424 Christ G5547 for G1519 the remission G859 of sins, G266 and G2532 ye shall receive G2983 the G3588 gift G1431 of the G3588 Holy G40 Ghost. G4151
Here it is His name. This would not be preparation for Messiah but for Holy Spirit.
So it’s repentance after the gospel, baptism preparation, and receiving Holy Spirit.
Remission meaning freedom is blood sacrifice of atonement, would it not?
Thanks for your question. I never saw this before.
The main baptism focus is presented in John3:25 -26 .There before began his earthly ministry as our High Priest of the new order.. he went to John from the tribe of Levi under the law of the old testament priest represented believers under the authority of a high priest. the time had come that the Son of man from the tribe of Judah would come and established the new testament government .men and woman alike from all nation as on e kingdom of priest holding out the gospel the new tongue as a desire given to preach the good news.
Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.John3:25-26
Not so much a sign of remission of sin as if we walked by sight .(un-thinkable no such thing) But a desire to serve as one who brings the gospel .
Aarons two Sons on the first day of being officiated desiring to be a member of the priesthood desired to add there own personal touch a "selfie". . "snap chat" to confirm to others God was using them as a claim to self edifying fame. . . adding what is called strange fire. . . abomination of desecration. But no oral traditions of men could be added . Fire came down and consumed Aarons two Sons, not leaving a smell of smoke on the ceremonial clothing used to represent clothed with the righteousness of Christ .No credit could be attributed to the corrupted flesh of Aarons Son . It was a picture of blasphemy I believe.
Exodus 29:4 And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.
They were washed ceremonially with water to symbolize the washing and renewing of the Spirit of Christ that lives in believers continually washing away our sin preparing their hearts for his ministry .
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.1 John 1:5-9
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Today we are under the new manner of the government of priests as Ambassadors for Christ. After that of Melchezedek our high priest continually without beginning of Spirit life or end of it.
they Like the Son of man jesus can become a member of the priesthood and demonstte to those asempbled with the good desire she has ina hope of support and prayer.
God has declared it complete. It is your problem if you don't believe it.
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Notice in Hebrews below, Paul said that salvation was first spoken of by the Lord and was confirmed, to him (Paul) and others, by them that heard Jesus; the “them” that heard Jesus, were His disciples:
“How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?” Heb 2:3-4
Salvation spoken of by Jesus:
- Jesus said the salvation message would begin in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)
- Jesus gives Peter the key(s) to the kingdom. (Matt 16:18-19)
- Jesus says that he who believes and is baptized shall be saved. (Mark 16:16, John 7:38)
- Jesus says repentance and remission of sins would be preached in His name BEGINNING in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)
- Jesus Himself declared that he who believes on Jesus, as the scripture says, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water; referring to the Holy Ghost. (John 7:38-39)
Confirmation of salvation as spoken of by Jesus:
- After Jesus ascension, the disciples traveled to Jerusalem. (Acts 1:12) If you recall, Jesus said that repentance and remission of sin would be preached first in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)
- While gathered in the upper room waiting for the promise spoken of by Jesus, (Luke 24:49) the Holy Ghost fills everyone in the room and they speak in tongues. (Acts 2:2-4)
- Unbelievers doubt and mock what they clearly see and hear. (Acts 2:12-13)
- Peter (the one who was given the keys) immediately stands and addresses the unbelievers. (Acts 2:14) He preaches to those present. (Acts 2:15-36) The unbelievers are upset when they realize the truth; Jesus is the promised Messiah. And they ask what is required of them; WHAT MUST WE DO? (Acts 2:37)
Peter’s response “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Notice how Peter’s words confirm the teachings spoken of by Jesus Christ:
- Repent (Luke 24:47)
- Be water baptized (Mark 16:16) In the name of Jesus for the remission of sin (Luke 24:47)
- Receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (John 7:38
Many fail to realize that the Apostle Paul followed the plan of salvation as spoken of by Jesus and confirmed by His disciples beginning in Jerusalem. (Acts 9:17; 22:16, 1 Cor. 14:18)
Eternity is a long, long time. Everyone must seek out and adhere to the word of God regardless of what worldwide denominations teach. Jesus clearly says: “…the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. John 12:48
Many fail to realize that the Apostle Paul followed the plan of salvation as spoken of by Jesus and confirmed by His disciples beginning in Jerusalem. (Acts 9:17; 22:16, 1 Cor. 14:18)
Notice in Hebrews below, Paul said that salvation was first spoken of by the Lord and was confirmed, to him (Paul) and others, by them that heard Jesus; the “them” that heard Jesus, were His disciples:
“How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?” Heb 2:3-4
Salvation spoken of by Jesus:
- Jesus said the salvation message would begin in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)
- Jesus gives Peter the key(s) to the kingdom. (Matt 16:18-19)
- Jesus says that he who believes and is baptized shall be saved. (Mark 16:16, John 7:38)
- Jesus says repentance and remission of sins would be preached in His name BEGINNING in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)
- Jesus Himself declared that he who believes on Jesus, as the scripture says, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water; referring to the Holy Ghost. (John 7:38-39)
Confirmation of salvation as spoken of by Jesus:
- After Jesus ascension, the disciples traveled to Jerusalem. (Acts 1:12) If you recall, Jesus said that repentance and remission of sin would be preached first in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)
- While gathered in the upper room waiting for the promise spoken of by Jesus, (Luke 24:49) the Holy Ghost fills everyone in the room and they speak in tongues. (Acts 2:2-4)
- Unbelievers doubt and mock what they clearly see and hear. (Acts 2:12-13)
- Peter (the one who was given the keys) immediately stands and addresses the unbelievers. (Acts 2:14) He preaches to those present. (Acts 2:15-36) The unbelievers are upset when they realize the truth; Jesus is the promised Messiah. And they ask what is required of them; WHAT MUST WE DO? (Acts 2:37)
Peter’s response “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Notice how Peter’s words confirm the teachings spoken of by Jesus Christ:
- Repent (Luke 24:47)
- Be water baptized (Mark 16:16) In the name of Jesus for the remission of sin (Luke 24:47)
- Receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (John 7:38
Eternity is a long, long time. Everyone must seek out and adhere to the word of God regardless of what worldwide denominations teach. Jesus clearly says: “…the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. John 12:48
Faith does come by hearing. One's faith is then evidenced by the obedience to what is seen in the word:
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith." Rom 1:16-17
The process of faith is required after seeing the salvation message presented on the Day of Pentecost. Everyone must believe in Jesus, repent, be water baptized in Jesus name, and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. These instructions are clearly seen in the word.
It was a different. The baptism of John a Levi was the sign of Messiah from the tribe of Judah to come and reestablish his government after the order of Melchizedek. Making way for the new kingdom priest of believers as promised in Joel . . . men and woman from all nations as a kingdom of priest . John's as the last Levi used to pass on the new brighter torch to victory
Psalm 110:3-5 (KJV) Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
You asked...Of men or of God? I would ofer of men, they are the cerimoninil laws that govern ceremonies .( the things seen the temporal ). They are used to see by understanding the unseen things of God
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
We do not look to the things seen as if it was the eternal . That is the formula for the a the spirt of the antichrist for works with the affairs of men as antichrists (plural) .A good example to try and distinguish between the things of God and those of men below.
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew16:22-23
Christ the Faithful Creator must do the first works
Its the salvation message that gives us the breath of new life so we can beleive (have faith) It would seem you are turning it upside down ???
Faith is the work of God's labor of love working in the creature to both will and perform his good pleasure. It was imputed to Abraham and Rehab in James 2. Before that faith worked in them by which they then could believe God. They had no understanding that could please him . They were like us reckoned dead as all unbelievers no faith to hear God. Not little none.
As in all cases the Potter must form the clay he is forming Christ in or we take away his understanding that works in us and give it to another kind of mediator. .
You teach heresy. Jesus required only that they believe in Him. Simply stated we are saved by grace through faith. There are no hoops to jump through in order to be saved.
Entrance of the Holy Spirit is how we are born again by grace. God does it all because Christ has done it all for us. We cannot add to or take away from what Christ has done. Christ alone pleased the Father. God imputes to us the righteousness of Christ and places on Christ all our sin.
Repentance and obedience are the result of salvation not the means to nor requirements for salvation.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Jesus' question to the Pharisees was intended to put them in a bind, and it accomplished its intent. It doesn't need to "mean" anything beyond that.
1> The Revival fellowship is not charismatic nor out of order.
2> Nobody falls downs. Nobody falls backward.
3> people enjoy the signs spoken to by JESUS - one of which is speaking in a new tongue by the Holy Spirit.
Which website did you copy and paste this information from?
Acts 2:38 remains a stumbling block for Oneness Pentecostals, as it does for Roman Catholics, Mormons and other works-salvationists as well. In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.
*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47). In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.
So the only logical conclusion *when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture* is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on a lack of baptism. So salvation rests on belief. *NOWHERE does the Bible say "water baptized or condemned."
If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
Regardless of what false religions and cults teach. Jesus clearly says: “…the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48) -- *John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Even Wikipedia spots Oneness Pentecostal heresy. - Besides their beliefs about the Godhead, Oneness Pentecostals differ significantly from most other Pentecostal and Evangelical Christians in matters of soteriology. Whereas most Pentecostals and evangelicals believe that only faith in Jesus Christ is the essential element for salvation, Oneness Pentecostalism defines salvation as repentance, full-submersion water baptism (in the name of Jesus Christ) and baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneness_Pentecostalism
It's not hard to find websites that point out the heretical teachings of Oneness Pentecostals. - The truth is, Oneness Pentecostals have an anti-Trinitarian view of God, an unbiblical doctrine of Jesus Christ, and unbiblical requirements for salvation (speaking in tongues, water baptism in “Jesus’ name,” and a legalistic moral code). Thus, those churches or preachers adhering to its basic doctrines cannot be regarded as authentically Christian. Any group or church that claims to be Christian yet deviates at any point from historical Christian faith is, by definition, a cult. Oneness Pentecostal churches are, therefore, cultic in nature and outside the theological parameters of historic Christianity. - http://www.marketfaith.org/the-hidden-cult-of-oneness-pentecostalism/
Oneness Pentecostalism: (Jesus Only) A heresy that emerged from the mainstream Pentecostal movement during the years 1914–1916. Unlike traditional Pentecostals, "Oneness" followers deny the doctrine of the Trinity in favor of a view similar to Monarchianism. In addition to this heresy, most Oneness Pentecostal organizations also teach that speaking in tongues, baptism (in Jesus' name only), and maintaining various moral "standards" are necessary for salvation. - https://www.watchman.org/index-of-cults-and-religions/#O
https://carm.org/religious-movements/oneness-pentecostal/what-does-oneness-pentecostal-teach
You are entitled to choose which scriptures you will believe. I choose to believe them all.
The comment is mine.Which website did you copy and paste this information from?
Acts 2:38 remains a stumbling block for Oneness Pentecostals, as it does for Roman Catholics, Mormons and other works-salvationists as well. In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.
*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47). In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.
So the only logical conclusion *when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture* is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on a lack of baptism. So salvation rests on belief. *NOWHERE does the Bible say "water baptized or condemned."
If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
Regardless of what false religions and cults teach. Jesus clearly says: “…the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48) -- *John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
I choose to accept the scriptures for what they say. No interpretation is needed. Peter's instructions were consistently followed and believers were added to the church daily. (Acts 2:41-42, 46-47) And, God continues to add to the church in the same fashion.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Acts 2:41-42
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Acts 2:46-47