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Oh my. You are so fluffy in your doctrine that just about anything passes for spiritual with you. I give you the word of God and you deflect it preferring the fantasies of neo evangelicalism. God loves sinners but God also judges sinners.
You have created a mystique around the baptism of the Holy Spirit that takes away from the reality of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. One baptism and many fillings are for those who are born again by grace through faith.
You need a big dose of reality in your theology.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
No they do not sis, And if you truly have been reading their posts. You would understand this.
Baptism of the spirit is the most important thing God does to you. (Of course the cross is the most important) For apart from it. There will never be remission of sin or the anointing of the spirit. Thus there will never be salvation.
He hasn't stated that, but it is a direct implication of what he has stated.
Theology?
You make this all about doctrine when it’s life in the Spirit.
Far from fluff my dear man.
]Oh my. You are so fluffy in your doctrine that just about anything passes for spiritual with you. I give you the word of God and you deflect it preferring the fantasies of neo evangelicalism. God loves sinners but God also judges sinners.
Joh 12:45 The one who sees me sees the one who sent me.
Joh 12:46 I have come into the world as light, so that everyone who believes in me will not remain in the darkness.
Joh 12:47 If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not condemn him, because I did not come to condemn the world but to save it.
Joh 12:48 The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has something to judge him: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day,
Joh 12:49 because I have not spoken on my own authority. Instead, the Father who sent me has himself commanded me what to say and how to speak.
Joh 12:50 And I know that what he commands brings eternal life. What I speak, therefore, I speak just as the Father has told me."
You have created a mystique around the baptism of the Holy Spirit that takes away from the reality of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. One baptism and many fillings are for those who are born again by grace through faith.
You need a big dose of reality in your theology.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Joh 12:45 The one who sees me sees the one who sent me.
Joh 12:46 I have come into the world as light, so that everyone who believes in me will not remain in the darkness.
Joh 12:47 If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not condemn him, because I did not come to condemn the world but to save it.
Joh 12:48 The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has something to judge him: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day,
Joh 12:49 because I have not spoken on my own authority. Instead, the Father who sent me has himself commanded me what to say and how to speak.
Joh 12:50 And I know that what he commands brings eternal life. What I speak, therefore, I speak just as the Father has told me."
You have created a mystique around the baptism of the Holy Spirit that takes away from the reality of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. One baptism and many fillings are for those who are born again by grace through faith.
You need a big dose of reality in your theology.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
E
eternally-gratefull
Guest
He says alot of stuff that to be honest does nto make any sense.. Thats why I just prety much do not read his posts anymore.
Ok, one says tongues is the evidence of the baptism.
Is it wrong? The apostles laid hands on those who then spoke in tongues in Acts.
I say these things show the baptism. Boldness to speak or to move. This is what comes on us in the anointing. We know that we know this is God, not of us.
The words of power. All should recognize. And the actions. Healings, deliverances from demonic powers.
It does begin with either tongues or prophecy, or both.
The other? Baptism in water? Jesus was. Why would we not? Unless we are to be executed, we should be able. Or ill.
Is He not our pattern?
E
eternally-gratefull
Guest
Yes it is wrong
because he says EVERYONE who is saved WILL speak in tongues, if not, your not saved, (the bible is clear not everyone even then has the gift of tongues)
Do you believe this sis?
They also demand we are saved by the baptism of men, not the baptism of God. Do you believe this?
I am not saying we should not be baptised in water, that was Gods first command, if we do not do it, there is somethign wrong
But they say we re NOT SAVED until our baptism in water, they claim IT (not the washing of water by the word through the HS) is where we receive remission of sin.
The word of God is Spirit. We have our being in the word of God. You cast aside the word and clothe your behaviors in Spirit that you might accommodate the worlds ways and goals.
Fluff or husks neither feed and nourish the soul. The Christian lives by feeding on the word of God. Neo evangelicalism starves for lack of Spiritual nourishment.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I would think it causes confusion . If it would make a person angry (anger blinds the mind) it would not resolve the fact that men prophesy; "declare the will of God" . God applies the seed on the good ground a prepared heart. Like the heart of the noble Bereans moved to search the scriptures daily to see if they have the approval of God. They were used to represent Christianity a kingdom of priests after the new manner of Melchedik as Ambassadors for Christ.
In that way God's name is Jealous (Exodus 34:14) He alone owns all things and is not served by human hands as a will.
There are times when the gospel does not seem to be having a affect. The outcome it would seem because Christ did not apply it to a persons heart or something that could benefit as a latter blessing. It does not mean we do not lose our reward of salvation .A gift of his reward according to His three day labor of love.
1 Corinthians 3:6-8 (KJV) I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
We are rewarded according to our labor as in Romans 10: " how beautiful are the feet" of those bring the understanding of God. With feet used to represent the gospel.
He promises us he will not forget the good works we have shown towards His name
Hebrews 6:10For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
The any man's work below. . . is the gospel he offers.. If Christ applies it to the heart of the person he shall receive a reward acknowledging it was Christ working in them to both will and perform the good pleasure of God. who causes the growth of the seed preached . If the Holy Spirit does not apply new spirit life to the person hearing the gospel the would suffer the loss of that hope but not his salvation . The reward of grace given to us. Christ cannot deny Himself if he has given His seed of new spirit life to us.
Note....( green ) my addition
If any man's work (brining gospel) abide which he hath built thereupon, (Christ the seed) he shall receive a reward. If any man's (brining gospel) work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire1 Corinthians 3:14-15
Yet so as by the Daniel fire
Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Yes it is wrong
because he says EVERYONE who is saved WILL speak in tongues, if not, your not saved, (the bible is clear not everyone even then has the gift of tongues)
I thought he was saying that all who have received the baptism would speak in tongues.
Salvation begins with the message of the Cross and the blood sacrifice preached, heard, and believed on. This would be whosoever will would it not EG?
I also believe the new birth happened to the disciples after Jesus rose from death and breathed on them. It doesn’t say that they were repentant but I do believe they were. Especially Peter with His denial. But, this is the Spirit of Christ that Paul spoke of, saying without, we are none of His.
But, then told to wait for the power to come. This was the way for them but now it can occur this way, or simultaneously with water baptism, or at home alone or any other place alone with God.
Do you believe this sis?
They also demand we are saved by the baptism of men, not the baptism of God. Do you believe this?
Some teach there is a work within, but others teach it’s symbolic. I think it’s both. But, again...salvation beginning is by faith in the blood sacrifice.
I believe...follow Jesus.
I am not saying we should not be baptised in water, that was Gods first command, if we do not do it, there is somethign wrong
But they say we re NOT SAVED until our baptism in water, they claim IT (not the washing of water by the word through the HS) is where we receive remission of sin.
I want to look at remission of sin. Will get back to you. I want to see if there’s a reason for saying this.
because he says EVERYONE who is saved WILL speak in tongues, if not, your not saved, (the bible is clear not everyone even then has the gift of tongues)
I thought he was saying that all who have received the baptism would speak in tongues.
Salvation begins with the message of the Cross and the blood sacrifice preached, heard, and believed on. This would be whosoever will would it not EG?
I also believe the new birth happened to the disciples after Jesus rose from death and breathed on them. It doesn’t say that they were repentant but I do believe they were. Especially Peter with His denial. But, this is the Spirit of Christ that Paul spoke of, saying without, we are none of His.
But, then told to wait for the power to come. This was the way for them but now it can occur this way, or simultaneously with water baptism, or at home alone or any other place alone with God.
Do you believe this sis?
They also demand we are saved by the baptism of men, not the baptism of God. Do you believe this?
Some teach there is a work within, but others teach it’s symbolic. I think it’s both. But, again...salvation beginning is by faith in the blood sacrifice.
I believe...follow Jesus.
I am not saying we should not be baptised in water, that was Gods first command, if we do not do it, there is somethign wrong
But they say we re NOT SAVED until our baptism in water, they claim IT (not the washing of water by the word through the HS) is where we receive remission of sin.
I want to look at remission of sin. Will get back to you. I want to see if there’s a reason for saying this.
You are so far off base. The Lord would never give us anything for our personal gain in a worldly way.
Be happy with your religion.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
That is exactly how best to describe neo evangelicalism. Be happy with no conflict. Jesus told us to expect to suffer for the faith. To endure adversity. You want nothing but rainbows and unicorns. I fear that you are far from what the bible teaches.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
We are faced like Peter in Mathew 16. Not what do men (flesh and blood) say? But what does the Spirit of Christ that indwells the believers says. He asks us... what do you say?
What is the purpose in the metaphor of laying on of hands... seeing hands represent the will in the bible. God does not have hands. The Bible defines the ceremonial shadow laying on of hands a desire that the will of God will be done. many shadow worshipers in the world .Jesus called them a evil generation the generation of natural unconverted men (shadow chasers)
We must be careful on how we say we hear God. Many seed snatchers now days
Where can we find the foundation of the doctrine of tongues so we can rightfully divide according to the loving Commandment . 2 Timothy 2:15 .So that we can seek His approval and not that of men, each other. ..
What are tongues and what is the sign of tongues as a law not subject to chnge (1 corithians 14:22-23) confirm in regard to. . . . "yet for all that they refuse to have faith in me"?
Then the rest of the doctrine fall into place.
Some make it the gospel of unknowns? Unkonw foundation. Unknow words, Unknow what the sign confirms .Unknow who to go to find a private interpretation as what they think the unknown sounds mean.?
Much research is required if you are to seek the approval of our father in heaven . He has not left us as orphans with no understanding (unknown tongues)
Am thinking that Johns baptism of water before Jesus died and resurrected could of been “for” remission of sin. The reason being animal sacrifices never gave freedom beyond that one year and had to be repeated. Plus Johns baptism might have been a different baptism. I want to further explore this. The reason I say this is because they had many washings. Johns was the preparation for Messiah to come. Was it a sign? Never before done?
But, the scriptures that use the word remission after the resurrection state it’s repentance and His blood that gives remission or freedom from our sin.
There is one in the KJV that hints at water baptism and remission.
Act 2:38 Then G1161 Peter G4074 said G5346 unto G4314 them, G846 Repent, G3340 and G2532 be baptized G907 every one G1538 of you G5216 in G1909 the G3588 name G3686 of Jesus G2424 Christ G5547 for G1519 the remission G859 of sins, G266 and G2532 ye shall receive G2983 the G3588 gift G1431 of the G3588 Holy G40 Ghost. G4151
Here it is His name. This would not be preparation for Messiah but for Holy Spirit.
So it’s repentance after the gospel, baptism preparation, and receiving Holy Spirit.
Remission meaning freedom is blood sacrifice of atonement, would it not?
Thanks for your question. I never saw this before.
In shorter form your answer = "No."
However, those who like to subvert the scriptures could post almost any verse they wanted to, claiming it answers the question...then claim they used the word to answer.
You'd said you'd never heard a question that couldn't be answered by use of scripture alone. Now you have been presented with one. If you wanted to, you could receive this truth, and go on to learn that there are MANY questions that aren't answerable by scripture alone. The answer to these questions is in God and in truth, neither of which are fully contained in the bible.
And no, this isn't an attempt to start a debate. It's just a truth presented for those with ears to hear. I pray you will be one of them.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Something just occurred to me.
Jesus asked the Pharisees what was Johns baptism. Of men or of God? I always wondered what He meant.
If it was a different baptism that was the sign of Messiah to come, then the question to them makes perfect sense.
I still need to know for certainty.
Jesus asked the Pharisees what was Johns baptism. Of men or of God? I always wondered what He meant.
If it was a different baptism that was the sign of Messiah to come, then the question to them makes perfect sense.
I still need to know for certainty.