Noahide Laws and the anti-christ

[azamzimtoti]

I believe these are the original laws

1. Not to worship idols.
2. Not to curse God.
3. To establish courts of justice.
4. Not to commit murder.
5. Not to commit adultery, bestiality, or sexual immorality.
6. Not to steal.
7. Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.

Christians worry Jesus would be considered an idol under this wording.

It could be inferred that James referenced the Noahides when counseling the gentile Christians. Acts:

(Acts 15:20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. )

(Acts 15:29 that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.” )

Thankfully bacon was not on the list.

 

[UnderGrace]

It could be inferred that James referenced the Noahides when counseling the gentile Christians. Acts:

(Acts 15:20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. )

(Acts 15:29 that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.” )

Thankfully bacon was not on the list.

What James meant as idols and what could be regarded as idols under these laws could be very different.

Now depending on how I am feeling on any particular day, this could all be a tempest in a teapot....when one considers how many religions presently have idols

#7 is a bit strange....but I agree bacon should be safe

Just good to be aware Mr. Azam

 

[calibob]

It is not our perspective that is the problem here as you rightly see.

Well, I thought Judaizers were in the mix. Pseudo christians who go back to Jewish laws. You know, heretics'.

 

[UnderGrace]

Well, I thought Judaizers were in the mix. Pseudo christians who go back to Jewish laws. You know, heretics'.

I think you mean nominal Christians

 

[calibob]

I think you mean nominal Christians

Not to me. Rather it's the timeless question of saved by grace through faith and not by the law. Or discarding the grace and saved by the blood, in favor of the law. If salvation is losable, that's one of the ways. The next question is were such people ever really saved to begin with. I don't know. It's not for me to judge. I've made my choice. Saved by grace is not a license to sin but it covers my weak human nature. I'll see you at the wedding Grace.

 

[PennEd]

1. Do not profane G‑d’s Oneness in any way.
   Acknowledge that there is a single G‑d who cares about what we are doing and desires that we take care of His world.
2. Do not curse your Creator.
   No matter how angry you may be, do not take it out verbally against your Creator.
3. Do not murder.
   The value of human life cannot be measured. To destroy a single human life is to destroy the entire world—because, for that person, the world has ceased to exist. It follows that by sustaining a single human life, you are sustaining an entire universe.
4. Do not eat a limb of a living animal.
   Respect the life of all G‑d’s creatures. As intelligent beings, we have a duty not to cause undue pain to other creatures.
5. Do not steal.
   Whatever benefits you receive in this world, make sure that none of them are at the unfair expense of someone else.
6. Harness and channel the human libido.
   Incest, adultery, rape and homosexual relations are forbidden.
   The family unit is the foundation of human society. Sexuality is the fountain of life and so nothing is more holy than the sexual act. So, too, when abused, nothing can be more debasing and destructive to the human being.
7. Establish courts of law and ensure justice in our world.
   With every small act of justice, we are restoring harmony to our world, synchronizing it with a supernal order. That is why we must keep the laws established by our government for the country’s stability and harmony

These are the Noahide laws. I'm not seeing the issue here.please elaborate.

Now it depends on WHO is doing the interpreting of those laws. Look at number one for instance.

If a Christian refuses to deny Jesus Christ is God, and therefore breaking the One God Law, the Talmud the interpreters use says they are to be beheaded.

If you aren’t familiar look up the Georgia guidestones.

Remember, this is a Law signed by Bush senior, at the behest and honor of the head Ultra Orthodox Jew attending the signing in the Oval Office. I think it’s a lot more important than people realize.

 

[PennEd]

Hi Mr PennEd.

Have read through all the responses in this thread.
Not watched the video.
To be honest I probably won't interact in this thread (other than this one)
It goes beyond my capacity of thinking and it's capabilities to comprehend.

The reason for this post is to ask you.

Do you think that Jesus did not love the Pharisees, Scribes and Sadducees?
It seems from your last sentence that he did not.

Is I don’t know an acceptable answer? I would not knee jerk say though that Jesus loves everyone. They were called brood of vipers and children of satan.

Opposed to like the rich young ruler who we are specifically told Jesus loves.

 

[iamsoandso]

What James meant as idols and what could be regarded as idols under these laws could be very different.

Now depending on how I am feeling on any particular day, this could all be a tempest in a teapot....when one considers how many religions presently have idols

#7 is a bit strange....but I agree bacon should be safe

Just good to be aware Mr. Azam

When we(in a different thread) were talking about starvation/ over population the other day and I said "ever min ha'hai" to you when you said "there's cloned meat" that's what I meant, that is the Sanhedrin would consider cloned or cultured meat to be breaking #7.

 

[dcontroversal]

Won't the Times of the Gentiles end with the last little horn of the Beast? How can the AC be Jewish?

Gotta love those that peddle the AC already came and went............some of these people need to quit watching fantasy land and actually pick up a bible and then with more than 3 brain cells read it in context and with understanding.....

 

[UnderGrace]

Gotta love those that peddle the AC already came and went............some of these people need to quit watching fantasy land and actually pick up a bible and then with more than 3 brain cells read it in context and with understanding.....

Three brain cells eh?? Btw "eh" is a Canadian expression, on its deepest most significant level it means wrong!!

Gotta wonder about those that can't seem to understand that "soon" is "soon" and "near is "near"

I have some history books you can borrow for your studies so you can see how well the utter destruction of Jerusalem fits.
It is the futurist that actually has to create the fantasy.....just sayin!! LOL

 

[calibob]

How can the AC be Jewish?

A Hebrew by birth maybe. A follower of Levitical law and a believer in Yahweh? No way! The antichrist and the beast will not be/or are not the same person either. (I think they both may on earth now, or are very soon to come.)

 

[iamsoandso]

How many of the Gentile powers that are in the bible does it say are ruling the world from the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and have an High Priest who sits in it?

 

[calibob]

How many of the Gentile powers that are in the bible does it say are ruling the world from the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and have an High Priest who sits in it?

The Banksters! (and) The Beast!

 

[Nehemiah6]

Won't the Times of the Gentiles end with the last little horn of the Beast? How can the AC be Jewish?

Those two things are not incompatible at all. In fact "the little horn" is another name of the Beast, the Antichrist, the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, the king of fierce countenance, etc.. And the Times of the Gentiles includes the 3 1/2 years assigned to the Antichrist.

But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. (Rev 11:2)
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev 13:5)

42 months = 1260 days = 3 1/2 years = time (1 yr) + times (2 years) + half a time (6 months)

The AC is Jewish for the simple reason that he will be presenting himself to Orthodox Jews as their true Messiah (as opposed to Jesus of Nazareth), and must have access to the temple in Jerusalem as a Jew. Of course he will hijack that temple for his own agenda. For all we know, he may even dazzle the Jews by doing what Christ refused to do -- throwing himself down from the pinnacle of the temple to prove that he is God (since he will claim to be God, while blaspheming the true God).

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Many of you know how I cannot stomach Holocaust deniers, and how much I love the Jewish people. So please bear that in mind if you watch this video. There was ONE group of people Jesus consistently had VERY harsh, some may even say unloving, things to say to and about. It was the Pharisees the Scribes, and the Sadducees. Jesus loved EVERYONE else. ESPECIALLY His Blood Jewish people. He even asked His Father not to account His Death to them.

I had not heard of this thing until recently. But as I explore, it appears to make perfect sense that this is how Christian persecution and beheading will happen. I am talking about the Noahidic Laws. This is a crazy thing that almost no one heard of, yet U.S. Presidents, the U.N. and most countries embrace. I have always believed that the antichrist was going to be of Jewish descent. And this just makes me think so more. I don't necessarily agree with everything presented here, but if you watch, I'd be interested in your thoughts:

According to a Noahide source in 2018, there are over 20,000 Noahides, and the country with the greatest number is the Philippines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahidism

There are always nutcase groups who simplify ideas and then claim everyone will suddenly change
their allegiance to follow this new focus.

When the group claim by force of arms they will conquer, you know they are nuts.
This only happens if they can raise an army or create a failure of current armed forces, so a new
force can arise. ISIS did this in Iraq and Syria, so it is possible but very unlikely.

Taking this idea seriously gives it more recognition than it deserves.

And such movements need something more substantial to become significant, and that event is
the problem not these nutcases.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

What is the jest of the video and the I believe the verbiage of Daniel points to the AC as coming from Ishmael based upon two statements applied unto him.......

Worshiping a god hiss fathers did not know <---small g in the text
Not having respect unto the GOD of his fathers <----capital G in the text

Allah fits the above two designations as IN.....a god Abraham and Ishmael would not have know and the capital G not honoring the GOD Abraham and Ishmael would have known

Hi dcon,

The video shows a believer who came to faith, and now is working to convert believers into Noahides.
But for some this is impossible and these guys are truly saved and eternally secure in Christ.

I would say though God views everyone individually, as far as we are concerned these guys are the enemy
and anti-Christ followers.

But hey, everyone who has a spiritual experience with Jesus is secure eternally ......... Really ..........

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Three brain cells eh?? Btw "eh" is a Canadian expression, on its deepest most significant level it means wrong!!

Gotta wonder about those that can't seem to understand that "soon" is "soon" and "near is "near"

I have some history books you can borrow for your studies so you can see how well the utter destruction of Jerusalem fits.
It is the futurist that actually has to create the fantasy.....just sayin!! LOL

Or quickly is quickly (not always meaning soon or near)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Gotta love those that peddle the AC already came and went............some of these people need to quit watching fantasy land and actually pick up a bible and then with more than 3 brain cells read it in context and with understanding.....

I guess this type of language is just normal on both sides.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How many of the Gentile powers that are in the bible does it say are ruling the world from the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and have an High Priest who sits in it?

It would not be odd if it was Jewish.

A jewish leader would not commit an abomination of desolation. In his own temple. He would be slitting his own throat.
Plus daniel 9 tells us he comes from rome, (the prince who is to come, whose people destroyed the city and temple in AD 70) Hence Gentile

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Those two things are not incompatible at all. In fact "the little horn" is another name of the Beast, the Antichrist, the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, the king of fierce countenance, etc.. And the Times of the Gentiles includes the 3 1/2 years assigned to the Antichrist.

But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. (Rev 11:2)
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev 13:5)

42 months = 1260 days = 3 1/2 years = time (1 yr) + times (2 years) + half a time (6 months)

The AC is Jewish for the simple reason that he will be presenting himself to Orthodox Jews as their true Messiah (as opposed to Jesus of Nazareth), and must have access to the temple in Jerusalem as a Jew. Of course he will hijack that temple for his own agenda. For all we know, he may even dazzle the Jews by doing what Christ refused to do -- throwing himself down from the pinnacle of the temple to prove that he is God (since he will claim to be God, while blaspheming the true God).

How many times are people going to Ignore the OT.

1. He is a gentile ruler (the last one)
2. He is part of the revised more powerful roman empire (final gentile kingdom) the parts of Dan 2 and 7 which have yet to be fulfilled concerning that kingdom (the little horn)
3. He will go to war with the saints, and attempt to control money people and things
4. He will confirm a covenant with many for a week (7 years)
5. He is the prince of rome (of the people who is to come)

Now many think it does nto have to be rome, it could basically be europe, but its not jewish