Amillennialists...Here's a chance to state your case.

[iamsoandso]

Watermark many Jews are already part of the body through faith in Christ.....why a remnant?

I would state like in all doctrines like dispensational doctrine there are usual many variations held by different people so it is really hard to pin down which it the true version

Join the crowd?.lol there's a lot of foggy grey areas in every camp are there not?

 

[azamzimtoti]

(Mat 13:49 It will be this way at the end of the age. Angels will come and separate the evil from the righteous)

(Mat 13:50 and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

(Mat 13:51 "Have you understood all these things?" They replied, "Yes."

(Mat 24:3 As he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, his disciples came to him privately and said, "Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?)

 

[iamsoandso]

Well eschatology has always confused me until recently ....I give all credit for my former confusion to Hal Lindsey... LOL

In all truth we could read a bunch of books on the subject but the more you look at them there nothing more than the author's opinion on the matter and we could punch up the subject on that or just look through the different threads in Christian forms and find that for free. So then the books are nothing more important than going to blah,blah blah thread and choosing a screen name out of a hat and saying we read all their post.

 

[iamsoandso]

At some point after reading all the books from the idolized author's we will still end up with the bible in one hand and us discussing it,,,well unless along the way we stop to discuss some authors opinion...

 

[Deade]

Why would you think that? Why I ask is the Scriptures in post # 462 and #464 all seem to indicate that they did not understand what Jesus meant when he told them he would die. Immediately after the Olivet Discourse he is betrayed and then Crucified but then in all of the Gospels they seem as though they were not expecting him to die and then return from the grave in three days.

Instead the ones who went to his tomb believed the gardener had moved his body not that he rose from the dead. Thomas when told said he would not believe it unless he saw the nail holes so he doesn't seem to be reacting as if he was expecting him to rise after three days. Peter instead of going to his tomb as if he understood he would rise on the third day was instead was going fishing. Cleopas in Luke 24:21 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/24-21.htm is very outspoken in saying to Jesus that they had hoped/trusted that he(Jesus) had been(pas-tense) he who should have(Pas-tense) redeemed Israel but that it was the third day after what was done(Jesus death) and so he doesn't seem to think Jesus was the one to redeem Israel anymore.

In short though if they had understood and believed he would die and be raised the third day then it would make sense they were asking him about his "second coming" but all four Gospels show that all of them were caught off guard by him being killed and not expecting him to rise the third day from the grave so in Matthew 24:3 they would have only been able to ask of the only coming they understood and believed.

What I am saying is they thought He was going to overthrow the Romans and take over at that time. That He was already there for that. The prophecy of His second coming. That is why they were so distraught over His death.

 

[iamsoandso]

What I am saying is they thought He was going to overthrow the Romans and take over at that time. That He was already there for that. The prophecy of His second coming. That is why they were so distraught over His death.

I had to look at it for a long time my self,lol at the end I thought "they ask three questions and so it's only logical that Jesus answered three questions",,,and so I looked for that....

 

[Journeyman]

HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH man you have a lot to learn......John made that statement because MANY were spiritualizing away CHRIST and DENYING that GOD has come in the flesh...wow man...and You do know that this was written SOME 40 to 60 years AFTER Christ ascended......AND JERUSALEM FELL BEFORE he wrote that statement....

WOW MAN............

Actually, people who disregard the Spirit believe that when Jesus sets this universe on fire by his presence, he'll continue reigning over the flesh. They disregard how he reigned and our current reign by him over all flesh.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1Jn.3:2

And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. Ex.33:20

The perishable will see Jesus as he truly is for 1000 years? bs.

 

[Hevosmies358]

I see some are still peddling the "world ended in A.D. 70" gimmick. Good grief!

Here is an exercise you can do: Read the newspaper. NEXT!

 

[garee]

They were confused because he told them the temple would be destroyed and they thought he was going to sit in that temple(the one he said would be destroyed) so they couldn't see how he could be the Messiah unless he ruled from that temple and the age of the rule of the four beast from Daniel ended.

So they could not see the sign of his coming if the temple was destroyed because to them the sign was that he ruled from it in Jerusalem and Rome was defeated by him and the nations all came under his rule also(one age end and the next begin). Judas heard Jesus say this and came to the conclusion that he wasn't the Messiah because he also saw that temple as part of the sign and betrayed him.

See post# 462 and 464 thy didn't understand his death or the concept of a second coming until Luke 24:45 and Acts 1:11 so could not have ask him about his second coming at the time of Matthew 24:3.

Thanks that makes sense. Understanding faith does not come over night. It think it is why without parables he spoke not in parables so that we would have a better understanding of things not seen the eternal using that seen the temporal to accomplish his purpose.

 

[Journeyman]

I see some are still peddling the "world ended in A.D. 70" gimmick. Good grief!

Scripture plainly says the world ends for people when they come to faith in Jesus,

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. Gal.6:14

Here is an exercise you can do: Read the newspaper. NEXT!

This proves nothing, because the dead to God can still read a newspaper, walk around, eat food, go see the new Avengers movie, etc

But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. Mt.8:22

 

[Hevosmies358]

Scripture plainly says the world ends for people when they come to faith in Jesus,

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. Gal.6:14

Alrighty then buddy.

World ends for people when they come to faith in Jesus. And remember it says this PLAINLY. Yup thats as plain as it can get.

Did you notice that you kind of took that out of context? The Galatians verse has NOTHING to do with eschatology? Whoopsy.

Look, if you want to know some details about the WORLD TO COME, read Revelation 21, it describes the new earth and heaven and guess what, it mentions nothing about it coming when people "come to faith".

The conditions are: NO PAIN, NO TEARS, NO DEATH, NO SORROW. Doesn't sound like the present time now dont it?

 

[garee]

He had some strange ideas.....


By way of summary, it may be said that as far as the Old Testament teaching on the new covenant is concerned, the covenant was made with the Jewish people. Its period of fulfillment is yet future beginning when the Deliverer shall come and continuing throughout all eternity. Its provisions for the nation Israel are glorious, and they all rest and depend on the very Word of God.

The Gentiles will be Israel’s servants during that age (Isa. 14:1-2; 49:22-23; 60:14; 61:5; Zech. 8:22-23). The nations which usurped authority over Israel in past ages find that downtrodden people exalted and themselves in subjection in their kingdom. The Gentiles that are in the millennium will have experienced conversion prior to admission

Pentecost, J. Dwight. Things to Come: A Study in Biblical Eschatology (Kindle Locations 2249-2252). Zondervan. Kindle Edition.

God is no a man as us (creation) never was never could be.

I don't think God made a covenant with the flesh of any nation. He was never typified as the God or father of one nation. Even though many Jews made claim.

The Covenant was in respect to the seed, one .(the spiritual seed Christ) .He used the flesh of a Jew to represent belief and unbelief, or faith and no faith . In a similar way in ceremonial laws he used clean and unclean animals for a parable to the whole world .

We do not wrestles against flesh and blood, or nation against nation as if Satan was a Gentile, and God was Jewish.

But when the reformation came .The time period temporal that was used as a parable using the flesh of a Jew came to a end. When the veil was rent, it made useless the stones that were temporarily standing in the holy place . Not 70 AD, years later. The generation that would not pass before he comes on the last day is the generation of Christ the believers. Born again Jew as well as Gentile.

On this side of the reformation we are considered the temple of Christ made up of many lively stones called the spiritual house of God the church.

 

[UnderGrace]

The Covenant was in respect to the seed,

Completely agree...not about a piece of land.

 

[garee]

Alrighty then buddy.

World ends for people when they come to faith in Jesus. And remember it says this PLAINLY. Yup thats as plain as it can get.

Did you notice that you kind of took that out of context? The Galatians verse has NOTHING to do with eschatology? Whoopsy.

Look, if you want to know some details about the WORLD TO COME, read Revelation 21, it describes the new earth and heaven and guess what, it mentions nothing about it coming when people "come to faith".

The conditions are: NO PAIN, NO TEARS, NO DEATH, NO SORROW. Doesn't sound like the present time now dont it?

The world as to how a person understanding the things not seen comes to an end (no more imagination of the hearts, guessing game ) when the hearing of the faith of God is introduced, He takes it to the next and final level

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal

 

[dcontroversal]

Actually, people who disregard the Spirit believe that when Jesus sets this universe on fire by his presence, he'll continue reigning over the flesh. They disregard how he reigned and our current reign by him over all flesh.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1Jn.3:2

And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. Ex.33:20

The perishable will see Jesus as he truly is for 1000 years? bs.

Yeah.......I suggest you actually study the O.T. prophecies concerning that time frame pal.....you can lip flap bs all you want....does not change the facts on the ground and or the O.T. prophecies....LIKE I said..you have a lot to learn

 

[dcontroversal]

Alrighty then buddy.

World ends for people when they come to faith in Jesus. And remember it says this PLAINLY. Yup thats as plain as it can get.

Did you notice that you kind of took that out of context? The Galatians verse has NOTHING to do with eschatology? Whoopsy.

Look, if you want to know some details about the WORLD TO COME, read Revelation 21, it describes the new earth and heaven and guess what, it mentions nothing about it coming when people "come to faith".

The conditions are: NO PAIN, NO TEARS, NO DEATH, NO SORROW. Doesn't sound like the present time now dont it?

Not to mention....

a. The waste cities of the planet being rebuilt and re-populated
b. A child dying at the age of 100 being cursed
c. The number gathered at the end of the 1000 years by Satan loosed from the pit for a bit

etc......He does not know what he is talking about......a lot to learn and a lot of error to fix before he even comes close to the truth

 

[garee]

Completely agree...not about a piece of land.

Amen, and neither about flesh.

 

[UnderGrace]

Amen, and neither about flesh.

But Jesus was real not spiritual??

 

[iamsoandso]

But Jesus was real not spiritual??

That never made any sense to me in that it's argued that none of this is literal and the proof usually given was Jesus literally came,died,rose said Jerusalem would be destroyed and it was literally fulfilled,Christians literally persecuted ect. ? lol

 

[UnderGrace]

That never made any sense to me in that it's argued that none of this is literal and the proof usually given was Jesus literally came,died,rose said Jerusalem would be destroyed and it was literally fulfilled,Christians literally persecuted ect. ? lol

Mr. iamsoandso, now I wish I could go back and read all your posts but until I am able to, can you tell me in a nutshell what your thoughts are, do you see any fulfillment in 70 AD?
Do you think there will be a millennial kingdom?
My sense from another thread you do not agree that modern day Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy?