Not By Works

[BibletruthSOP]

Is somebody whining about being ganged up on!!

The judgement is about what we actually ARE, that is why the bible focusses on BE. No make believe righteousness is going to be saved. OSAS is no more than make believe righteousness, a lie of Satan. BE ye therefore perfect as your father in heaven is perfect.
BE ye therefore pure as your father in heaven is pure. And dozens of similar admonitions in the word of God. OSAS mentality denies the power of God and is therefore just a mouthpiece of Satan. God says keep my commandments (i.e. sin not). Satan says impossible God, your lying when you tell people to not sin.

 

[dcontroversal]

So, if in a moment of grief, disappointment, or anger, a Christian doubts and stops believing, that proves they were never saved?

Guess Thomas, Peter, Elijah did not make the cut then......

 

[dcontroversal]

Budman, you are all about entrapment.

By your words Jesus said....either justified or not

 

[stonesoffire]

The issue is who needed to see the works. God, Self or Men?


Are we saved patially (Salvation is not assured and can be lost) or saved Fully (Eternal Security)

These seem to be the two sides of the argument.

Lol...EG there's so much going on right now that I can't even remember what I posted. But, just to answer this post, there's those that come under the light of understanding, but not into the light of conversion. I read this as a footnote in my Oxford study bible.

I can truthfully say that was my experience from childhood to my early twenties when I surrendered and was converted. Then about 3 months later, baptized in Holy Spirit.

In my early "light" if I had died in that state, would I be in heaven?

I can only point to scripture...

5 For Moses writes about the righteousness that comes from the Law as follows: "The person who obeys these things will find life by them."


6 But the righteousness that comes from faith says, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will go up to heaven?' (that is, to bring the Messiah down),


7 or 'Who will go down into the depths?' (that is, to bring the Messiah back from the dead)."


8 But what does it say? "The message is near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart." This is the message about faith that we are proclaiming:

9 If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.


10 For one believes with his heart and is justified, and declares with his mouth and is saved.


11 The Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will never be ashamed."


Back later.

 

[dcontroversal]

Make no

The judgement is about what we actually ARE, that is why the bible focusses on BE. No make believe righteousness is going to be saved. OSAS is no more than make believe righteousness, a lie of Satan. BE ye therefore perfect as your father in heaven is perfect.
BE ye therefore pure as your father in heaven is pure. And dozens of similar admonitions in the word of God. OSAS mentality denies the power of God and is therefore just a mouthpiece of Satan. God says keep my commandments (i.e. sin not). Satan says impossible God, your lying when you tell people to not sin.

Make no mistake pal....you do not have the truth and what you peddle -->not of God...so.....keep flapping....on top of that, uou have no understanding of the word perfect and what it actually meant....more drivel from you!!

 

[stonesoffire]

By your words Jesus said....either justified or not

Decon....Budman was OBVIOUSLY trying to trap him with his bullet questions. Opinion. Not judgement. Judgement would condemn him as a sinner. Not in my job description.

 

[BibletruthSOP]

Salvation is by grace through faith. Salvation is from the wages of sin (eternal death) and from sin (transgressing Gods law). Sorry, no one gets to divide that and choose one or the other. Its a 100% package deal so to speak or nothing. You do not get to rip Gods gift to pieces and choose some pieces and discard the rest.

 

[dcontroversal]

Just keep your right to sin and still be saved budman, for that is what you are saying.

I do not believe that is what he is saying....and anyone that states they do not sin is either deceived or a liar....

 

[stonesoffire]

Are we not our own fruit inspectors?
It would be sad if we claim so much in Christ, yet do not grasp enough to see how
it has changed us.

It is so encouraging when people have fallen so far into sin, see themselves in Christ
starting to walk in love and life. The joy that fills their heart knowing what God is doing
and how great that work is to sort out serious issues. Praise the Lord His hand brings so
much healing to those who open their hearts to Him. God bless you

Hi FHS

No, we aren't to judge ourselves according to Paul which I try real hard to follow but many times fail.

It's the job of Holy Spirit to shine the light on our hearts when our hearts are ready for pruning.

Also on others we deal with Day to day that make us angry and hits us with those fiery darts.

*sigh*

 

[BibletruthSOP]

Make no

Make no mistake pal....you do not have the truth and what you peddle -->not of God...so.....keep flapping....on top of that, uou have no understanding of the word perfect and what it actually meant....more drivel from you!!

The be ye mature as your father in heaven is mature>

 

[dcontroversal]

Decon....Budman was OBVIOUSLY trying to trap him with his bullet questions. Opinion. Not judgement. Judgement would condemn him as a sinner. Not in my job description.

You're defending a false teacher Stones......not good!!

 

[stonesoffire]

I do not believe that is what he is saying....and anyone that states they do not sin is either deceived or a liar....

No one said that. A lot of manipulative words banded about though. An I saw Budman well able to defend himself.

Am not against Budman, but I do disagree with some things he states.

 

[dcontroversal]

Christian faith is logical - is it not?

God did say, "Come let us reason together" and many questions put forth call for logically deduced conclusions based upon scriptural facts....!

 

[stonesoffire]

You're defending a false teacher Stones......not good!!

I do not know this man. I saw nothing false in his posts last evening. Those are stout words decon.

 

[UnderGrace]

Salvation is by grace through faith. Salvation is from the wages of sin (eternal death) and from sin (transgressing Gods law). Sorry, no one gets to divide that and choose one or the other. Its a 100% package deal so to speak or nothing. You do not get to rip Gods gift to pieces and choose some pieces and discard the rest.

Actually it is about adding to the gift rather than discarding anything.

 

[stonesoffire]

God did say, "Come let us reason together" and many questions put forth call for logically deduced conclusions based upon scriptural facts....!

Faith defies logic.

 

[stonesoffire]

Another misnomer....Jesus BEGINS, FINISHES AND COMPLETES THE WORK OF FAITH IN US....this continual belief drivel is not in the bible......salvation is a once off event based upon initial faith....JESUS LOSES NOTHING and keeps us by his power...!!

It's there. I posted a scripture.

 

[dcontroversal]

The be ye mature as your father in heaven is mature>

Nice try......try again....the word carries the idea of being complete...NOT PERFECT in the sense of how we use the word.....and yes, the bible does lay forth eternal security...take the blinders off....

 

[UnderGrace]

Faith defies logic.

Lee Strobel would disagree.

Faith is absolutely reasonable and logical people often prefer internal biases over objectivity.

 

[stonesoffire]

Faith is substance in the realm of Spirit where God dwells. Logic is of this dimension.

And who is Lee Strobel and why do I care what men think? I know what Holy Spirit pointed out to me about faith.