Not By Works
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Right belief does save....the Gospel of John clearly tells us to believe upon Jesus for salvation. Jesus is the object of our belief/faith and belief is being fully persuaded in the work of Christ Jesus on our behalf.
And we are able to repent....change our minds otherwise there would be no need for a call to repent in the Gospel.
NO. Continual belief is a RESULT. DID YOU not read the verse I posted. TRUE and CONTINUING faith are a result of being BORN of GOD.
It's certainly what you said. Deeds reveal the condition. You are doing little here but chasing your own tail.
The Gospel is the means by which God saves people. It is not the means by which they save themselves.
So, if in a moment of grief, disappointment, or anger, a Christian doubts and stops believing, that proves they were never saved?
Jesus did say that deeds reveal the condition. Have you not read the several places in the Bible where Jesus said this.
Deeds are not the requirement, they are the RESULT of conversion. If you had read your bible with understanding you would know this.
You do not understand faith. A Christian may lapse, but the Good Shepherd brings them home again. Every time.
Then, by that reasoning, Mormons, JW's, Catholics, etc., are Christians.
You make this too easy.
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Well yes if you take the Calvinist view.
No one stated people save themselves...of course that is how you would interpret it.
You actually have that verse turned around:
I John 5:1: "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God . . . "
the one who is believing (present tense) has been born (perfect tense) out of God
Then you contradicted yourself when you said belief is continuous. Do you not know the definition of continuous?
Perfect tense is a past action with continuing results. You are putting the present before the past.
By that reasoning, since all sin is against God, and you sin every single day, I guess that proves you don't love God.
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Nice try. Continuous can mean uninterrupted, but it is also used as a synonym for Progressive. And I even used the word progressive in conjunction with continuous. Nice try though
Nice try. Continuous can mean uninterrupted, but it is also used as a synonym for Progressive. And I even used the word progressive in conjunction with continuous. Nice try though
LOL! You are funny! I know very well what the Greek perfect tense means. I have been studying and teaching it for many years.
It doesn't matter what you want the text to say: that does not change what it actually says!