Quoting a general principle that came from Jesus is not fruit inspecting. DID it cause you to inspect your own fruit. Is that why you responded in this manner
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Quoting a general principle that came from Jesus is not fruit inspecting. DID it cause you to inspect your own fruit. Is that why you responded in this manner
Was the issue ever that God needed proof before He saves someone fully? If so then I totally missed the intent of the posts.
What exactly do you mean save someone fully? Not trying to put you on the spot, but this IMO, is a curious statement.
It has nothing to do with desperation. It has everything to do with projection. You said the statement applies to everyone. That, naturally, applies to individuals. So you are indeed a fruit inspector.
So, keep wigglin'
Don't you know what inspect means? Obviously not
Whose fruit have I EXAMINED in order to assess it's quality or quantity? You do not examine and assess a person's fruit by stating a general principle. What kind of person talks in this manner?
Wow, the lengths people will go to to defend an outright lie.
Yes, you can. Budman is being hard headed which I have yet to see as a fruit of Holy Spirit.
And yes, that's my opinion. Not judgement. I don't have that right to judge.
But inspecting fruit of another would be examining another persons fruit to give an assessment of it. Who have I done that to? No one. Therefore, you are lying and defending a lie.
Saying that any scriptural principle that applies to individuals is fruit inspecting not only destroys the meaning of the word INSPECTOR, it also subverts the command to rebuke, reprove, exhort, etc. These guys are inadvertantly trying to subvert Christianity.
Now you got it! Exactly!
But on post #96455 you said:
"1 John 5:1. A person who has been born of God (perfect tense) believes (present tense)"
That is turned around and not the same statement as you made on post 96510!
Yes, everyone who is believing has been born of God. I believe because I have been born of God.
Hey, here is a man (Chester) who does not habitually and willfully sin every day.
Yes, I do occasionally sin willfully and habitually, and if you count all the sins of omission and neglect I suppose you could say I sin every day.
I didn't think you were so confused that I would have to explain this to you.
But if I lose my temper and say a careless word one day.
...and help someone with an impure motive the next day.
...and commit a sin of omission one day
...in other words fail to live up to perfection, being an imperfect human being...
...and I confess my sins to God...and repent of them
is not the same as habitually lying, fornicating, murdering, cheating on my taxes, etc habitually and unrepentably.
If we conflate these two categories, we're all going to hell, because the unrighteousness shall not inherit the Kingdom, And Paul listed a list of sins and said such WERE some of you.
LOL! You are funny! Your first statement is what the verse says (I John 5:1).
Your second statement is not what I John 5:1 says. It is a very different statement from the first statement. It may or may not be true, but it is not what I John 5:1 says!
Exactly. He conflates imperfection in holiness, which is a condition of every human with habitual and willfull sin. The Bible clearly makes a distinction (compare 1 John 1:8-9 with 1 John 1:5 and 1 John 3:6, Budman.)
His theology seems to be based on his own thoughts rather than the scripture.
Would you have continuing faith if you had not been born of God. I know for a fact I would not. In fact, if not for God's initiating faith and repentance in me, I would never have believed or wanted to know God
Now there is the problem: You want the verse to read that the one who has been born out of God has continuing faith. But the verse does not say that.
Chester, I think this may be a difference with translations. I read many different ones and I believe I saw the words continuing faith in one or more.
Will try to find.
You may ask all the rhetorical questions you want - that is OK with me. I get my doctrine from what the text says, not from rhetorical questions! LOL! You are quite interesting and humorous if I dare say so!
but anyway - You asked me a question: What kind of faith does not continue? Well, maybe we should go to Scripture and see if the question is answered anywhere? Problem for me is I don't have time to do that right now. And I could give an answer to your question from my own personal ideas, but that does not really matter. What matters is what God says!