Ever ate dirt? Thats the taste.Any walking dead or Necrophiles or Necromancers here that can tell us what
DEATH TASTES LIKE ???
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Ever ate dirt? Thats the taste.Any walking dead or Necrophiles or Necromancers here that can tell us what
DEATH TASTES LIKE ???
For me, I adopt a dispensationalist view of Acts of the Apostles. If all the Jews had accepted the offer of the kingdom by Peter in Acts 2, instead of rejecting it and stoning Stephen at the end, Jesus would have returned to set up his kingdom in Jerusalem.
Thus, Jesus was not wrong when he made that remark about "some who are standing here..."
But because the Jews were given free choice and rejected Jesus as their King, that offer was postponed, as you have said, until the end of the Great Tribulation.

For me, I adopt a dispensationalist view of Acts of the Apostles. If all the Jews had accepted the offer of the kingdom by Peter in Acts 2, instead of rejecting it and stoning Stephen at the end, Jesus would have returned to set up his kingdom in Jerusalem.
Thus, Jesus was not wrong when he made that remark about "some who are standing here..."
But because the Jews were given free choice and rejected Jesus as their King, that offer was postponed, as you have said, until the end of the Great Tribulation.

No I don't think there was any Jewish Free Choice going on at all.....as a matter of fact crucifiction and salvation if you are able to translate Genesis into the ancient Paleo Hebrew symbol writing says from the very beginning crucifiction and salvation would occur....
In conclusion, those who were standing there would not taste of death before they saw the kingdom of God coming with power, were Peter, John and James and it was fulfilled when the witnessed Jesus' transfiguration into His glorified state, as well as the appearance of Moses and Elijah.
Fair enough, its all speculation on our part anyway and no one will be sure how this "alternate reality" would play out in the case where the Jews as a whole did accept Jesus. But our reality now is that the Jews rejected Jesus so there is that.
Yes, some Jews did accept Jesus. We call them Messianic Jews, and they will have the privilege, like the rest of us Gentile Church, to escape the Great Tribulation. However, the Jews as a nation have rejected Jesus as their King, you are not denying that right?
Exactly what "end" has taken place then? The end of Israel and the Temple? There are scores of Scripures that declare the re-establishing of Israels borders, people and Temple at the "end of the age" Then comes the Day of the Lord lasting 1000 years. The70AD judgment was a chastisement, by no means an "end".
Actually it was an exact fit.After 3.5 yrs He was cut off.Quite impossible. Daniel Ch 9 and the 70 weeks does not fit into the time frame of the Crucifixion. Preterism fails on every level, and most critically it fails on the level of fulfilled and unfulfilled prophecy.
hebrewsc12 speaks of Jesus ruling from the heavenly Zion and JerusalemI guess it depends on what the kingdom of God means to you. For me, I take the kingdom of God as an earthly kingdom that is based on Jerusalem. I used these few OT passages to explain
Zechariah 8 explains
3 “Thus says the Lord: ‘I will return to Zion, And dwell in the midst of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be called the City of Truth, The Mountain of the Lord of hosts, The Holy Mountain.’
Later on, in the chapter in Zechariah 8:20-23 New Living Translation (NLT)
20 “This is what the Lord of Heaven’s Armies says: People from nations and cities around the world will travel to Jerusalem. 21 The people of one city will say to the people of another, ‘Come with us to Jerusalem to ask the Lord to bless us. Let’s worship the Lord of Heaven’s Armies. I’m determined to go.’ 22 Many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the Lord of Heaven’s Armies and to ask for his blessing. 23 “This is what the Lord of Heaven’s Armies says: In those days ten men from different nations and languages of the world will clutch at the sleeve of one Jew. And they will say, ‘Please let us walk with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’”
A similar prophecy was given in Micah Chapter 4 (NLT)
In the last days, the mountain of the Lord’s house will be the highest of all—the most important place on earth. It will be raised above the other hills, and people from all over the world will stream there to worship.
2 People from many nations will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of Jacob’s God. There he will teach us his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For the Lord’s teaching will go out from Zion; his word will go out from Jerusalem.
Finally, the same prophecy was given in the book of Isaiah chapter 2:2
In the last days, the mountain of the Lord’s house will be the highest of all—the most important place on earth. It will be raised above the other hills, and people from all over the world will stream there to worship.
So, based on these accounts, all the Jews are to be saved first, once they accept Jesus has the Messiah, then the Kingdom will be established in Jerusalem and the Jews will then be priests spreading that blessings to all the Gentiles.
That was the original plan and timetable, but alas, the Jews rejected God thrice, they rejected God the Father in the OT, they rejected God the Son in the 4 Gospels, and they rejected God the Holy Spirit in Acts with Stephen stoning. The last sin was deemed unforgivable under the law. Hence the postponement of that plan, to the benefit of all of us Gentiles.
hebrewsc12 speaks of Jesus ruling from the heavenly Zion and Jerusalem
Not by a longshot. Read my earlier posts to review my assessment.Actually it was an exact fit.After 3.5 yrs He was cut off.
His servants do fight on his return with them in rev 19,and we take the world .Not really, his crucifixion was according to the scriptures and the rejection by the nation was prophesied.
Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
The cross was necessary for Christ to enter his glory (the kingdom) and we can determine what is meant by his glory:
Mark 10:35 And James and John, the sons of Zebedee, come unto him, saying, Master, we would that thou shouldest do for us whatsoever we shall desire.
Mark 10:36 And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you?
Mark 10:37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory.
And we should remember he stated his kingdom was not of this world:
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
The claim that the Jews rejected the kingdom thus postponing it is in error as he could with his "servants fight" to take the physical kingdom if he wanted, therefore the dispensational argument is built on quick sand.
Yes.Not really, his crucifixion was according to the scriptures and the rejection by the nation was prophesied.
Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
The cross was necessary for Christ to enter his glory (the kingdom) and we can determine what is meant by his glory:
Mark 10:35 And James and John, the sons of Zebedee, come unto him, saying, Master, we would that thou shouldest do for us whatsoever we shall desire.
Mark 10:36 And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you?
Mark 10:37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory.
And we should remember he stated his kingdom was not of this world:
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
The claim that the Jews rejected the kingdom thus postponing it is in error as he could with his "servants fight" to take the physical kingdom if he wanted, therefore the dispensational argument is built on quick sand.
Btw,nice post with those verses.Not really, his crucifixion was according to the scriptures and the rejection by the nation was prophesied.
Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
The cross was necessary for Christ to enter his glory (the kingdom) and we can determine what is meant by his glory:
Mark 10:35 And James and John, the sons of Zebedee, come unto him, saying, Master, we would that thou shouldest do for us whatsoever we shall desire.
Mark 10:36 And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you?
Mark 10:37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory.
And we should remember he stated his kingdom was not of this world:
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
The claim that the Jews rejected the kingdom thus postponing it is in error as he could with his "servants fight" to take the physical kingdom if he wanted, therefore the dispensational argument is built on quick sand.
Actually one of the gospels declares;the law and the prophets were until JTB.Yes, I am not denying that the crucifixion would have occurred. I am claiming that even if the Jews as a nation had accepted Jesus as their Messiah, i.e the Gospel of the Kingdom, it can still occur. The crucifixion is not dependent on the Jews rejecting their Gospel.
Yes,he, and John in rev.Steven was the first one to taste death after seeing the Kingdom of God which is in Heaven.
Acts 7:55
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Acts 7:56
And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
3.5 years is not mentioned in Dan 9. Only Dan 7, Dan 12, Rev 11 & 12.Actually it was an exact fit.After 3.5 yrs He was cut off.
Daniel 9 cannot and does not fit into any preterist interpretation.
Sure it is...watch;3.5 years is not mentioned in Dan 9. Only Dan 7, Dan 12, Rev 11 & 12.
Daniel 9 cannot and does not fit into any preterist interpretation.