Some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God
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We have one camp saying the others habe missed the point and the other camp saying everyone posting has missed the resurrection. So apparently Jesus came back again and everyone living here and posting right this minute should go home, shows over since he came back in 70 ad and not ever returning to earth again.
The kingdom is here, but is invisible. The kingdom is future and will be visible. How about its both wont that be blow peoples minds.
The kingdom is here, but is invisible. The kingdom is future and will be visible. How about its both wont that be blow peoples minds.
Hello Noblemen,
I am zealous for Christ and the word of God. But I am very frustrated with false teachers and their teachings. I posted this thread because I am tired of seeing those who distort the scripture with the same name of this thread, as well as those who believe that "this generation" as referring to the generation that Jesus was speaking from. They are just going to have to find out first hand. I wonder if they will even admit their error then.
To believe and teach that Matt.24:30-31 has already taken place, is just ridiculous to say the least. It also demonstrates that they have no idea of what is to take place after Christ returns, which is the end of the age.
I am zealous for Christ and the word of God. But I am very frustrated with false teachers and their teachings. I posted this thread because I am tired of seeing those who distort the scripture with the same name of this thread, as well as those who believe that "this generation" as referring to the generation that Jesus was speaking from. They are just going to have to find out first hand. I wonder if they will even admit their error then.
To believe and teach that Matt.24:30-31 has already taken place, is just ridiculous to say the least. It also demonstrates that they have no idea of what is to take place after Christ returns, which is the end of the age.
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Can you even walk outside in Arizona for extended periods of time? Isnt it like SCORCHING heat constantly? Sweating and drying up?
@Ahwatukee How do you understand "this generation shall not pass"? Is it talking about the generation that sees all the signs, thats the usual explanation ive heard!
@Ahwatukee How do you understand "this generation shall not pass"? Is it talking about the generation that sees all the signs, thats the usual explanation ive heard!
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Let's look at that scripture:
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Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its branches become tender and sprout leaves, you know that summer is near. 33So also, when you see all these things, you will know that He is near,d right at the door. 34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. "
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In the scripture above, a comparison is being made:
Blossoming of the trees = Summer is near
When you see all these things (Signs) = The end of the age is near
Then Jesus says "this generation will not pass away until all these things (signs) have happened.
Therefore, the generation that Jesus is talking about is the one where those signs begin to take place and not the generation that He was living in. Those signs would include the setting up of the abomination, which has also not yet taken place.
Furthermore, scripture is clear that the wrath of God, the day of the Lord, must take place prior to Jesus return to the earth, which will be accomplished via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and which also have not begun. As an example, the first seal is that rider on the white horse, which is representing the antichrist, who has not yet been revealed. He and his kingdom must be revealed prior to Christ returning to the earth to end the age. Those who are here will know him when he makes his seven year agreement with Israel. And we know that it is Israel for one, because after he makes his covenant, in the middle of the seven years he causes the sacrifices and offerings to cease, which means that they would have had to have already been going on in order to put a stop them.
Like I said before, there are way too many events that must take place before the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. The destruction of the temple was a single event that Jesus told would happen, but has nothing to do with the very end of the age. For it has been 1900 years since that event and none of the other signs marking the end of the age have taken place.
People think that they are going to Christianize the world in preparation for Christ's return, but that is not what scripture teaches. What it does teach is that the world will become more and more wicked, the Holy Spirit along with the church will be taken out of the way and God's wrath and the beasts kingdom will follow. Then, after the completion of God's wrath the Lord will return to end the age.
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Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its branches become tender and sprout leaves, you know that summer is near. 33So also, when you see all these things, you will know that He is near,d right at the door. 34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. "
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In the scripture above, a comparison is being made:
Blossoming of the trees = Summer is near
When you see all these things (Signs) = The end of the age is near
Then Jesus says "this generation will not pass away until all these things (signs) have happened.
Therefore, the generation that Jesus is talking about is the one where those signs begin to take place and not the generation that He was living in. Those signs would include the setting up of the abomination, which has also not yet taken place.
Furthermore, scripture is clear that the wrath of God, the day of the Lord, must take place prior to Jesus return to the earth, which will be accomplished via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and which also have not begun. As an example, the first seal is that rider on the white horse, which is representing the antichrist, who has not yet been revealed. He and his kingdom must be revealed prior to Christ returning to the earth to end the age. Those who are here will know him when he makes his seven year agreement with Israel. And we know that it is Israel for one, because after he makes his covenant, in the middle of the seven years he causes the sacrifices and offerings to cease, which means that they would have had to have already been going on in order to put a stop them.
Like I said before, there are way too many events that must take place before the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. The destruction of the temple was a single event that Jesus told would happen, but has nothing to do with the very end of the age. For it has been 1900 years since that event and none of the other signs marking the end of the age have taken place.
People think that they are going to Christianize the world in preparation for Christ's return, but that is not what scripture teaches. What it does teach is that the world will become more and more wicked, the Holy Spirit along with the church will be taken out of the way and God's wrath and the beasts kingdom will follow. Then, after the completion of God's wrath the Lord will return to end the age.
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This generation paassing away...meaning this generation will end. What is a generation its like a lineage. Ok Jesus illustrated this with a fig tree right? You know family trees? He was referring to that. He wants the trees to bear fruit.
Have you ever done your family tree...it has branches, it keeps growing. One generation isnt an entire tree, its the branches. You know how trees grow, they branch out and keep putting out branches and leaves and them fruit. If you are familiar with gardening or how trees grow you can understsnd this.
Have you ever done your family tree...it has branches, it keeps growing. One generation isnt an entire tree, its the branches. You know how trees grow, they branch out and keep putting out branches and leaves and them fruit. If you are familiar with gardening or how trees grow you can understsnd this.
Sure we all are but that is not our business, stay with what you do, the lord will take care of His own. The time for preaching Christ is now, truth prevails. Let fire and brimstone rest it doesn't work.
There is a message that has been going around for some years, it is spirit stuff, no man gets it on their own but it is given to them by their Father, trust and believe, be patient to seek God. It is found in the Apostle Paul's epistles, in the form of Christ in you, wait before the Lord dear brother, ask for a revelation of the indwelling Christ that has been in you from the moment you believed, bless you
There is a message that has been going around for some years, it is spirit stuff, no man gets it on their own but it is given to them by their Father, trust and believe, be patient to seek God. It is found in the Apostle Paul's epistles, in the form of Christ in you, wait before the Lord dear brother, ask for a revelation of the indwelling Christ that has been in you from the moment you believed, bless you
I think maybe you gave what you percieve to be the explanation,not an uncontestable truth.
The problem is,it says " coming in his kingdom"
In the transfiguration,he is standing in his glory,not "coming in his kingdom"
A more plausable answers might be 1) the ascention
2) John the revelator saw him coming in his kingdom in his vision.
Be we do know he was definately "coming in his kingdom" when he went up and sat on his throne. They saw it,and were standing there.
I believe either one of those are more plausable than the transfiguration.
The problem is,it says " coming in his kingdom"
In the transfiguration,he is standing in his glory,not "coming in his kingdom"
A more plausable answers might be 1) the ascention
2) John the revelator saw him coming in his kingdom in his vision.
Be we do know he was definately "coming in his kingdom" when he went up and sat on his throne. They saw it,and were standing there.
I believe either one of those are more plausable than the transfiguration.
Yes.
Further more,the earth is not redeemed until revelation 5.
Later it is declared " the kingdoms of the world have become the kingdoms of our God"
God himself makes men and the devil give it back,through the kinsman redeemer.
God RECLAIMS it in rev 5.
"..no MAN was found in heaven or earth WITH THE RIGHT to open the seals."
The kinsman redeemer is Jesus.
God uses his own law to trump the devil.
Further more,the earth is not redeemed until revelation 5.
Later it is declared " the kingdoms of the world have become the kingdoms of our God"
God himself makes men and the devil give it back,through the kinsman redeemer.
God RECLAIMS it in rev 5.
"..no MAN was found in heaven or earth WITH THE RIGHT to open the seals."
The kinsman redeemer is Jesus.
God uses his own law to trump the devil.
Hi, Ahwatukee -
I assume by the name you live in Arizona. If you do, please know that I live about 30 minutes from Ahwatukee.
There are three main issues with your position that I’d like to point out:
Jesus associated the following with His coming in Matthew 16:
Things Written
Peter wrote a letter (2 Peter) in which he retold seeing the transfiguration. In 2 Peter 1:16, Peter states that he and and the other disciples with him were “eyewitnesses of His majesty”, not His coming. Later on in 2 Peter 3:4-12, Peter describes Jesus’ coming as still yet future. So, to equate Peter, James, and John seeing Jesus transfigured on the mountain as being the fulfillment of Jesus prophecy that they would see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom is problematic.
Things Backfired
Even if you were correct here about the connection between the transfiguration and Jesus’ prophecy about His coming, wouldn’t you be supporting the preterist position? Aren’t you still saying that Jesus’ coming was in the past - it happened or at least began at the transfiguration?
The main difference is that you are saying that the Lord’s coming began around AD 32 (around the time of the transfiguration) when the preterists claim that it happened at AD 70.
I look forward to your response.
I assume by the name you live in Arizona. If you do, please know that I live about 30 minutes from Ahwatukee.
There are three main issues with your position that I’d like to point out:
- Things missing
- Things written
- Things backfired
Jesus associated the following with His coming in Matthew 16:
- angels present
- Son of Man giving rewards to each, according to their works
Things Written
Peter wrote a letter (2 Peter) in which he retold seeing the transfiguration. In 2 Peter 1:16, Peter states that he and and the other disciples with him were “eyewitnesses of His majesty”, not His coming. Later on in 2 Peter 3:4-12, Peter describes Jesus’ coming as still yet future. So, to equate Peter, James, and John seeing Jesus transfigured on the mountain as being the fulfillment of Jesus prophecy that they would see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom is problematic.
Things Backfired
Even if you were correct here about the connection between the transfiguration and Jesus’ prophecy about His coming, wouldn’t you be supporting the preterist position? Aren’t you still saying that Jesus’ coming was in the past - it happened or at least began at the transfiguration?
The main difference is that you are saying that the Lord’s coming began around AD 32 (around the time of the transfiguration) when the preterists claim that it happened at AD 70.
I look forward to your response.
Later on in 2 Peter 3:4-12, Peter describes Jesus’ coming as still yet future. So, to equate Peter, James, and John seeing Jesus transfigured on the mountain as being the fulfillment of Jesus prophecy that they would see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom is problematic.
Things Backfired
Even if you were correct here about the connection between the transfiguration and Jesus’ prophecy about His coming, wouldn’t you be supporting the preterist position? Aren’t you still saying that Jesus’ coming was in the past - it happened or at least began at the transfiguration?
The main difference is that you are saying that the Lord’s coming began around AD 32 (around the time of the transfiguration) when the preterists claim that it happened at AD 70.
I look forward to your response.[/QUOTE]
Hello and yes, I did live in Ahwatukee. However, I sold my home about seven months ago and am now living in Lake Havasu City.
Regarding your post, I would suggest going back and rereading post #1. Because, your claims are supporting the same thing that I believe. And some things that you claimed I said, such as "The main difference is that you are saying that the Lord’s coming began around AD 32," I never said at all. And that because I wrote the original post to debunk the teaching that when Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste of death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom," that He was not referring to the end of the age. I'm sayin that those standing there who would not taste of death, were Peter, John and James. And the reference was not to the end of the age, but to them seeing Jesus when He was transfigured in His glorified state. A sneak preview if you will.
If you go back and read the original post, it should clear things up. Below is a summary of my position:
Some who are standing here will not taste of death = Peter, John and James
The Son of Man coming in His kingdom = Jesus transfiguration into His glorified state
This prophecy has nothing to do with Jesus returning to end the age, but is referring to His being transfigured into His glorified state (the Son of Man coming in His glory), with Peter, John and James witnessing it before they died.
Things Backfired
Even if you were correct here about the connection between the transfiguration and Jesus’ prophecy about His coming, wouldn’t you be supporting the preterist position? Aren’t you still saying that Jesus’ coming was in the past - it happened or at least began at the transfiguration?
The main difference is that you are saying that the Lord’s coming began around AD 32 (around the time of the transfiguration) when the preterists claim that it happened at AD 70.
I look forward to your response.[/QUOTE]
Hello and yes, I did live in Ahwatukee. However, I sold my home about seven months ago and am now living in Lake Havasu City.
Regarding your post, I would suggest going back and rereading post #1. Because, your claims are supporting the same thing that I believe. And some things that you claimed I said, such as "The main difference is that you are saying that the Lord’s coming began around AD 32," I never said at all. And that because I wrote the original post to debunk the teaching that when Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste of death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom," that He was not referring to the end of the age. I'm sayin that those standing there who would not taste of death, were Peter, John and James. And the reference was not to the end of the age, but to them seeing Jesus when He was transfigured in His glorified state. A sneak preview if you will.
If you go back and read the original post, it should clear things up. Below is a summary of my position:
Some who are standing here will not taste of death = Peter, John and James
The Son of Man coming in His kingdom = Jesus transfiguration into His glorified state
This prophecy has nothing to do with Jesus returning to end the age, but is referring to His being transfigured into His glorified state (the Son of Man coming in His glory), with Peter, John and James witnessing it before they died.