Not true. Spent over 20 yrs in evangelistic traveling ministry. Churches are mostly empty because they won't preach the truth. Yes, sinners are saved the same way they have always been, by conviction of the Holy Spirit. Just because the world turned PC doesn't mean the church should.
Could you explain the underlined part? A former lesbian? Brother if being against gay marriage is not showing love for gays we have a huge problem. You cannot bend the truth to suit the sinner. It's not possible to accept gay marriage and be a Christ follower, let alone a preacher of the Gospel.
No as Christians we are responsible to preach the truth of the Gospel. If you think being against gay marriage is harsh and anti-gay rhetoric there is a problem, a major one! You are called to preach the whole truth. Where in the Bible does it say preach in a way that doesn't offend the sinner. John the Baptist called out the king for his sin in public and lost his head for it. Preach the truth!! Let Holy Spirit convict.
Could you explain the underlined part? A former lesbian? Brother if being against gay marriage is not showing love for gays we have a huge problem. You cannot bend the truth to suit the sinner. It's not possible to accept gay marriage and be a Christ follower, let alone a preacher of the Gospel.
No as Christians we are responsible to preach the truth of the Gospel. If you think being against gay marriage is harsh and anti-gay rhetoric there is a problem, a major one! You are called to preach the whole truth. Where in the Bible does it say preach in a way that doesn't offend the sinner. John the Baptist called out the king for his sin in public and lost his head for it. Preach the truth!! Let Holy Spirit convict.
Our job as preacher is not to communicate the truth, but to communicate the truth in the way that makes the difference. Haranguing homosexuality from the pulpit may make us feel righteous, but it makes gays and lesbians feel despised and just ensures that they will reject the Gospel. Pre-evangelism is crucial. Homosexuals need to feel loved and welcome in the church until they can develop a healthy respect for God's Word and then reexamine their lifestyles. One of the most harmful clichés ever minted by evangelicals is "Love the sinne, but hate the sin." Hate is an energy felt as rejection by its target who won't feel loved by the preacher condemning them. Instead, we need to replace hatred in all its forms and accept seekers just the way they are until the Holy Spirit has a chance to woo them to God's grace through our positive accepting attitude and love.
In reading this again, I see where I'm not quite sure what "MadHermit" is trying to say in saying that "our job as Christians is not to communicate the truth, but to communicate the truth in the way that makes the difference." I think he means that we should not just teach the truth, but teach it in a way that Jesus would. And I agree with "kaylagrl" that we are called to stand for the truth regardless of the consequences. So where can we draw our example? Jesus and John the Baptist were the most harsh on the religious Pharisees who had turned religion into an idol totally absent of God's love, mercy, or justice. God demanded the death penalty for the world's consistent rebellion, and then took that death penalty Himself in the most anguished EXTREME public way possible. If that's not true justice, I don't know what is. His mercy was the most dramatic towards those with personal sins, saying, "neither do I condemn you," and "go and sin no more." If your life is spared by God HImself, you're not likely to continue down the same path. It's best not to delay turning our lives around--today is the day of salvation! He clearly said all through the Bible.
When Jesus was confronting many powerful issues in the house of a Pharisee, one, also referred to as a devil, who sneered at God's mercy towards the weeping sister at His feet, was pretty much commanded to leave His Presence: "LEAVE HER ALONE!"
and then excommunicated by his own free-will, choosing Hell by seeking revenge against Christ.
The reason why I'm not as extreme as some people in here, is I've been there and done that-- the heated debates, arguing for the sake of arguing. People are emotionally wounded by such judgmental condemnation. And by the description of "MadHermit," they also appreciate honest feedback from the Church.
I agree with the Methodist Churches decision, as long as they treat everyone equally, such as excommunicating married ministers for adultery. That's one reason the church is there-- to guide people on the path of salvation,
patiently, prayerfully, and lovingly if possible.
If we don't have friends who are courageous enough to give honest feedback, I think one Proverb says, "it's better to be rebuked by a true friend," it's human nature to "lean on our own understanding," and follow the path of least resistance, without Divine revelation.
Sometimes intervention is necessary.
The heterosexual male who thinks his wife will be ok with his porn addiction;
or his mistress;
Hoarding, alcohol, drugs, gambling, and anything else unhealthy.
Intervention helps people to at least take a look at their lives.
The United Methodist Church chose a path of intervention.
So did Martin Luther;
So did Martin Luther King Jr.;
So did John the Baptist;
So will the Catholic Church;
So do so many mothers, to save their children;
So did Jesus.
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