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◄ 2 Timothy 2 ►
English Standard Version
1You then, my child, be strengthened by the grace that is in Christ Jesus, 2and what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men,a who will be able to teach others also. 3Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him. 5An athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules. 6It is the hard-working farmer who ought to have the first share of the crops. 7Think over what I say, for the Lord will give you understanding in everything.
8Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, the offspring of David, as preached in my gospel, 9for which I am suffering, bound with chains as a criminal. But the word of God is not bound! 10Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11The saying is trustworthy, for:
If we have died with him, we will also live with him;
12if we endure, we will also reign with him;
if we deny him, he also will deny us;
13if we are faithless, he remains faithful—
for he cannot deny himself.
14Remind them of these things, and charge them before Godb not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers. 15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved,c a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. 16But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness,
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Did Jesus reject Peter for denying Him three times?
Or did he declare to the Pharisees and scribes who claimed that Jesus did his healing by the power of Satan and not the Holy Spirit to be destined to Hell?
Both denied Jesus, but which one was saved and which ones condemned?
The Bible doesn't contradict itself.
Jesus says none shall snatch us from His hand
Either you believe it or you believe a lie and live in fear of losing God's love and grace.
English Standard Version
1You then, my child, be strengthened by the grace that is in Christ Jesus, 2and what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men,a who will be able to teach others also. 3Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him. 5An athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules. 6It is the hard-working farmer who ought to have the first share of the crops. 7Think over what I say, for the Lord will give you understanding in everything.
8Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, the offspring of David, as preached in my gospel, 9for which I am suffering, bound with chains as a criminal. But the word of God is not bound! 10Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11The saying is trustworthy, for:
If we have died with him, we will also live with him;
12if we endure, we will also reign with him;
if we deny him, he also will deny us;
13if we are faithless, he remains faithful—
for he cannot deny himself.
14Remind them of these things, and charge them before Godb not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers. 15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved,c a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. 16But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness,
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Did Jesus reject Peter for denying Him three times?
Or did he declare to the Pharisees and scribes who claimed that Jesus did his healing by the power of Satan and not the Holy Spirit to be destined to Hell?
Both denied Jesus, but which one was saved and which ones condemned?
The Bible doesn't contradict itself.
Jesus says none shall snatch us from His hand
Either you believe it or you believe a lie and live in fear of losing God's love and grace.
I did think about this, but as life is the gift itself, life removing itself is not rejecting
the gift because there is no 3rd party that remains.
My point is gifts have a condition attached to them, accepting or rejecting them.
And how the gifts work has conditions. So it is wrong to try are argue gifts can
exist without conditions. Linguistically no conditions mean the receiver can do what
they like with the gift. Again, the gospel is full of conditions, long lists of approved and
disapproved of behaviours, attitudes, beliefs, expectations, reactions.
But to convey the sense of sinners are accepted where they are, can be over emphasised to
they can stay as they are in sin and degredation.
the gift because there is no 3rd party that remains.
My point is gifts have a condition attached to them, accepting or rejecting them.
And how the gifts work has conditions. So it is wrong to try are argue gifts can
exist without conditions. Linguistically no conditions mean the receiver can do what
they like with the gift. Again, the gospel is full of conditions, long lists of approved and
disapproved of behaviours, attitudes, beliefs, expectations, reactions.
But to convey the sense of sinners are accepted where they are, can be over emphasised to
they can stay as they are in sin and degredation.
God accepts sinners where they are but he doesn't keep them sinners.
I wrote a piece about how we are all born holey until God takes the "e" out of us and makes us Holy.
E for emptiness because He fills us with His holy spirit
E for Earthiness because he changes our hearts desires to be more aligned with His will.
E for ego because he replaces our selfishness with His love for others as well as a healthier love of who God is making us to be.
As for rejecting the gift of life...this world and the ability to live in it is a gift..some say a curse others a blessing, but in the end eternity is not this life.
The third party would be your true spiritual self, God and the people of this world who loses your presence if you commit suicide.
The gift is given with out conditions.
What happens after you accept or reject the free gift, is another story all together.
I wrote a piece about how we are all born holey until God takes the "e" out of us and makes us Holy.
E for emptiness because He fills us with His holy spirit
E for Earthiness because he changes our hearts desires to be more aligned with His will.
E for ego because he replaces our selfishness with His love for others as well as a healthier love of who God is making us to be.
As for rejecting the gift of life...this world and the ability to live in it is a gift..some say a curse others a blessing, but in the end eternity is not this life.
The third party would be your true spiritual self, God and the people of this world who loses your presence if you commit suicide.
The gift is given with out conditions.
What happens after you accept or reject the free gift, is another story all together.
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And or refusing to acknowledge the truth that NO scriptures point to Judas being saved, but there is a plethora pointing to him being lost.....This guy has no honesty or integrity....he proved this his first day here and continues to prove this.........
a. Is a DEVIL
b. Christ KNEW who would NOT BELIEVE
c. The Son of Perdition
d. Thief holding the bag
c. Wicked go astray from the womb
etc.
a. Is a DEVIL
b. Christ KNEW who would NOT BELIEVE
c. The Son of Perdition
d. Thief holding the bag
c. Wicked go astray from the womb
etc.
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Oy vey! @GodsGrace101 WHERE ARE YOU? I see you online!
Come answer me right now
Why did you say salvation is earned? https://christianchat.com/goto/post?id=3854467
Here are Scriptures directly refuting it:
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Titus 3:5
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
I wont drop this till I get an answer!
Come answer me right now
Why did you say salvation is earned? https://christianchat.com/goto/post?id=3854467
Here are Scriptures directly refuting it:
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Titus 3:5
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
I wont drop this till I get an answer!
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"And John answered and said, "Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us." And Jesus said unto him, "Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us." (Luke 9:49-50)
John said this guy wasn't with them - did Jesus give that guy the power?
John said this guy wasn't with them - did Jesus give that guy the power?
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Hi Goodnewsman, read John 17:12, decon is right, "Judas Iscariot was "Lost and doomed to destruction."
Apart from mishandling scripture and coming to wrong conclusions your sympathies should be with the One who laid down His life for the human race not sympathetic for the one who deceived our Savior.
John 17:12
While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
Apart from mishandling scripture and coming to wrong conclusions your sympathies should be with the One who laid down His life for the human race not sympathetic for the one who deceived our Savior.
John 17:12
While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
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Only by calvinists.
I never heard it until i came in CC.
To most people, it is just a works gospel
The calvinist arminian argument is what causes the most issues in here, because instead of trying to understand what others are saying, they look at it from a calvin or arminain view and attack it because they are attacking each other
Osas is an example. Alot of people think osas is calvinist, so they attack it because they hate calvinism, instead finding out why people believe in eternal security,
It gets frustrating when people do that, thats why i try to divert it from a calvin vs arminian argument and to a bible discussion minus certain biases
I never heard it until i came in CC.
To most people, it is just a works gospel
The calvinist arminian argument is what causes the most issues in here, because instead of trying to understand what others are saying, they look at it from a calvin or arminain view and attack it because they are attacking each other
Osas is an example. Alot of people think osas is calvinist, so they attack it because they hate calvinism, instead finding out why people believe in eternal security,
It gets frustrating when people do that, thats why i try to divert it from a calvin vs arminian argument and to a bible discussion minus certain biases
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